Evans church breaking ties with Boy Scouts

Evans' Grace Baptist won't renew chapter

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A local Baptist church has decided to part ways with the Boy Scouts of America, and other Baptist pastors say they no longer support the organization now that openly gay youth can participate.

Grace Baptist Church Pastor Bill Hilley said Troop 686 cannot meet at the Evans church after the end of the year.

Church and Scout leaders are looking for an alternative program that provides similar opportunities without compromising the safety and well-being of boys, he said.

“It’s really related to our convictions about God’s plan for his people,” Hilley said.

Hilley decided not to renew the church’s Scout chapter even before the Southern Baptist Convention issued a resolution June 12 opposing the national group’s new
membership policy. The Baptist convention said allowing gay youth is at odds with Biblical views on sexuality.

The Rev. Brad Whitt, the pastor of Abilene Baptist Church, said he supported the resolution. Whitt, whose church does not play host to a Scout troop, recommended that parents make a careful decision about their sons’ participation based on their religious beliefs.

“We want to reach everybody for Jesus. But we can’t condone a lifestyle that goes against our convictions and teachings,” Whitt said.

The Georgia-Carolina Council of the Boy Scouts of America works with eight Baptist churches in the 16-county region that includes Au­gusta, said Scout executive Jeff Schwab. The churches represent 12 Scou­ting units with 194 youth members.

Schwab said 85 percent of members in the Georgia-Carolina Council opposed the membership policy change. Twenty adult volunteers have resigned from their positions.

Clay Holland, the Scout master of Troop 686, said some troop members could risk losing the work done toward their Eagle Scout awards – the highest in Scouting. Some will finish the award by December, but others might be forced to earn an equivalent award in another program.

“My goal as a scoutmaster is to provide information to boys, parents and troop leaders about what their options are,” Holland said.

Leaders of other Christian denominations said their relationship with the Boy Scouts will go unchanged.

Pastor Greg Porterfield said Scouts can continue to meet at Wesley United Meth­o­dist Church in Evans. He said he had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church.

“We have no power over it,” he said. “As an organization, Scouting has done a lot of great things.”

The Rev. Jerry Ragan, of St. Mary on the Hill Catholic Church, said he followed the recommendation of Catholic bishops in allowing Scout troops to continue meeting at the church.

“The Catholic Church doesn’t find that they have to break completely with them, and I think that’s a good thing,” Ragan said. “The original purpose was to teach good virtues as young men, and I think they are still trying to do that.”

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dickworth1
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dickworth1 07/02/13 - 06:38 pm
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Unpublished

Thank you for standing up for God and Christianity! Unlike supporters of our current president and his administration that praises gays and same sex marriages and abortions and giving pills to children without parental knowledge. Obama's supporters pose as christians but we will all reap what we sow. Too many christians think that all you have to do is ask for forgiveness and it is done, this is true only if you are sincere about God and living by the word. Noone is perfect, but you have to try to live by God's word.

Farmboy
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Farmboy 07/02/13 - 08:37 pm
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Discrimination

That's all it is. That's the hard truth. Before, they were telling some kids they could not come and join, but now they are giving them a chance. Trying to include everyone. Some people think that's a bad thing. You have got some kids out there who need guidance and support that are not getting it, and the Scouts can help with that, but the church backs out now that the Scouts are trying to reach out to all people. Whatever. Go and do it. Trying to help all people is bad thing in some peoples eyes.

If you could stay connected to the organization to help some child in need, then why not?

curly123053
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curly123053 07/02/13 - 08:53 pm
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I Support This Church!

The Bible specifically says homosexuality is wrong. For a church to decide they want their Boy Scout troop follow and adhere to Biblical principles is the proper thing in my opinion. As a former Scoutmaster, if I had still been one when the BSA decided to violate their own Scout Law and Oath I would have resigned too. The BSA may as well throw away the present Scout Law and Oath and rewrite since being reverent to God is no longer part of the BSA.

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henrystripe 07/02/13 - 09:27 pm
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so hypocritical

These people claim to be Christians, yet their behavior is quite the opposite. What a joke!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 09:30 pm
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Farmboy

You typed " You have got some kids out there who need guidance and support that are not getting it, and the Scouts can help with that, but the church backs out now that the Scouts are trying to reach out to all people."

What happens if that "guidance and support" includes telling a child that homosexuality isn't natural and isn't the way God intended humans to behave? Because CHURCHES, since we ARE talking about CHURCHES here; are supposed to, first and FOREMOST; teach GOD's WORD!!

Now that the BSOA has allowed openly gay members; if ANY scout master or church member were to condemn that lifestyle, the lawsuits would FLY RAMPANT!!

So, in essence; for the CHURCH to do God's work and teach right and wrong; they HAVE to remove themselves from the Scouts or get their pants sued off!!

Please explain where I'm going wrong with this. Christian Churches are the house of God; are they suppose to condone behavior that is EXACT opposite of what the Bible teaches?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 09:33 pm
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henrystripe

How is their behavior "quite the opposite"?

Question: Do the Bible condemn homosexuality? Please answer with truth and NOT rhetoric. There is only one answer and that is, YES it does!!

So, for a CHURCH to disengage from a group who now supports a lifestyle the Bible does NOT approve of, how is that not Christian like?

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BillC1 07/02/13 - 09:36 pm
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My father...

If Grace Baptist, or any other church, is going to close its doors to sinners, we are in deep trouble. If a gay couple shows up at our church, I would hope we would welcome them like they welcome me, a sinner. I would also hope that the pastor would preach the truth, about their sin and mine. But somehow as Christians we have elevated homosexuality to an "uber sin" higher on the sin scale then yours or mine. It isn't. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. So Grace should welcome the Boy Scouts, and speak the truth in love to them.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 09:38 pm
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"Pastor" Greg Porterfield??

"Pastor Greg Porterfield said the Boy Scouts can continue to meet at Wesley United Methodist Church in Evans. Porterfield said he had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church."

Ok; so you're a PASTOR and you can't stand strong for God??

Yes sir; way to go Mr. "Pastor"!! Way to stand up for the God you are suppose to be a voice for!!

Wolves in Sheeps clothing!! We are warned of these individuals over and over in the Bible! I assure you, if I were a member of Wesley United Methodist, my membership would have ended TODAY!!

Dixieman
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Dixieman 07/02/13 - 09:50 pm
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OK,I finally figured out my answer

Let's have a new organization, the Gay Scouts, who would be identical to the Boy Scouts except they would accept gays. Then scouts and leaders could choose which organization they wanted to join.
No, this is NOT separate but equal -- because that was compulsory by law and this system is voluntary and social, not legal.
You're welcome!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 09:52 pm
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Nice spin BillC1; but it won't work!!

First of all, I would have a problem with ANY Pastor who closed his doors on Sunday to ANYONE, including gays; they need to hear the message. Sunday's are suppose to be for worship and LEARNING about God. Unless gays are coming into the Church and flaunting their lifestyle, they should be welcome into the Church SERVICES. If they come in, causing disruption or acting in ways NOT Biblical, they should be removed!!

BUT, we aren't talking about the Sunday Church services; we are talking about supporting a GROUP (BSOA) who now endorses homosexuality, which is condemn by the head of all Churches, JEHOVAH!!!

People often forget that Christ walked into a Church with a WHIP and lashed at the people within the Church for using the Church for financial gain; but basically for using it in OTHER means than teaching God's word!! Christ was a disciplinarian!! He taught strick discipline but also forgiveness with it. He knew EVERYONE makes mistakes, but not all actions are MISTAKES!! A PATTERN of behavior is NOT a mistake!

Also, when the Sadducees and Pharisees would try to trip him up by asking him loaded questions; how would he respond? Most of the time he would quote OLD TESTAMENT and then say "Have ye not read?" So don't say that Christ didn't condemn homosexuality; for that you can refer to the Old Testament; which Christ referenced many times as well.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 09:57 pm
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Dixieman

This isn't about them being involved in a group!! They certainly COULD HAVE already created their own version of Scouts. This is about FORCING EVERYONE to accept their lifestyle; even Christians!!

So, the BSOA (A private organization) was bullied into accepting OPENLY gay members.

NOW, commentors on here are already going a step further and saying CHURCHES should accept the BSOA; thereby accepting the gay lifestyle BSOA now condones!! This PUSH will NEVER END, watch and see. Just like the gay marriage battle will NEVER end until they've destroyed the Christian institution of marraige.

fedex227
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fedex227 07/02/13 - 10:06 pm
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And Jesus wept.

How sad they are so ready to punish the children.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 10:10 pm
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How ridiculous is it, that we

How ridiculous is it, that we are even having this conversation? We are talking about CHURCHES for petes sake!!! People are saying CHURCHES shouldn't stand against a lifestyle, strickly prohibited by the BIBLE!!

I'm quite confident that some of these people are also members of some sort of Church!! Even "Pastor's" are folding to unrighteous acts!!

"Marvel not, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

That word transformed is also disguised!! MANY people disguise themselves as Christians; yet everything they spout is against the Bible. It's actually a brilliant plan; disguise yourself as the enemy and work from the inside. Just like Liberals disguising themselves as Tea Party members, then attending events and acting like idiots to give the Tea Party a bad name.

If an uninformed, uneducated Christian, hears other "Christians" spouting that we should support homosexuals and "Civil rights" for all; it weakens their resolve!! They begin to question their own beliefs and faith. The LP's plan works brilliantly, I must give them that much!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 10:15 pm
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Yeeeees, fedex; that sounds so horrible!!

What human being wants to punish children? Ooooh the humanity!! We must revolt against these evil Christians who want to punish little children!!

Wow, those words sound so sweet, compassionate, caring, loving and emotional!!

What kind of barbaric human being would punish little innocent children!! Its the CHRISTIANS!! WE must get them!! Christians just proved themselve to be the exact opposite of everything they've claimed to be!! How dare they stand up for God and His creation!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 10:21 pm
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I for one; hope that more

I for one; hope that more Churches follow this lead!! I hope to see them STAND STRONG for GOD!!

I said this when the decision was made by the BSOA; I hope they are completely destroyed!! I hope millions of people pull their children OUT and the BSOA goes bankrupt!!

I also hope that ANY Church that refuses to PUT GOD FIRST; fails miserably as well!! I hope their members LEAVE, in MASS!! Then these "Pastors" can sit and preach THEIR word, to themselves. Because if they aren't standing STRONG for God, I can't believe the TRUTH of God's word is being taught within the doors of that "Church".

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faithson 07/02/13 - 10:30 pm
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my membership would have ended TODAY!!

and I say good riddin's... not a christian I want to be an example for myself and my family... good riddins !

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 10:37 pm
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According to a lot of

According to a lot of "Christians" comments on this and other threads, I don't think Christ would be a good example to them either!!

For more: see above comment about disguises.

fedex227
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fedex227 07/02/13 - 10:39 pm
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Sad.

"What kind of barbaric human being would punish little innocent children!! Its the CHRISTIANS!!"

Who? Leaders of a Christian organization that assumes 'gays are among us, infiltrating our church.' Perhaps before rushing to judgement and dismissing a community organization of adults and young children who promote what is best in us, they send out a questionaire, similar to one sent to members of the Westboro Baptist Church. Just have the kids check the approriate box - 'gay' or 'not gay' and then just chide those who do not conform. Easy-peasy. Keep the good kids, shun the bad kids, problem solved.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 10:40 pm
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There we go!! I knew it was

There we go!! I knew it was coming, these Churches who are standing STRONG for God; are now being likened to Westboro Baptist. Is that the best you've got?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 10:50 pm
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This is absolutely

This is absolutely ridiculous!! Seriously, what are Churches suppose to do? Yes, of course; I don't need you to tell me that they are suppose to LOVE EVERYONE!! Thats very true, but that doesn't mean they love that PERSONS lifestyle and choices. That doesn't mean they are to openly accept ANY lifestyle, even those contrary to Biblical teachings!! You know; love the sinner, hate the sin? Ever heard of that?

For Petes sake, we are talking about CHURCHES; might I remind you!! What are they suppose to do, sponsor the next Gay Pride parade?

Father; we certainly need you now, more than ever!! This isn't going to stop until your sons return!! Father, this is absolute lunacy; but I can't see this being fixed by MAN!! MEN have lost their spine and ability to stand up to such lunacy!! We NEED YOU!!

fedex227
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fedex227 07/02/13 - 11:19 pm
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Best you've got?

I didn't realize this was a contest. You may have more people who side with your opinion in this forum, and that's okay. Maybe you'll get more 'thumbs up' (the ultimate determination i guess of who 'wins'). But maybe, just maybe, you'd be open to the voice of a person who is gay and who has also accepted Christ as his savior in the following letter posted online ...

"I realized, that I was only good at being myself and discovered that Jesus did accept me and love me for who I was. The only one who actually stood by me was Jesus. And all of those who told me that God wouldn't accept me because I was gay... I realized that THEY were the ones who couldn't accept me. Not God ... God listens and answers my prayers, He comforts me and He teaches me. He is faithful, He brings me love, He gives me His Holy Spirit and He blesses me. But I can only praise the name of Jesus! God’s love for me has never changed at all. And the reason He never "healed" me from being gay, despite my desperation, was because there was never anything wrong with me in the first place. I am as He created me."

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 07/02/13 - 11:16 pm
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Sick

Gays just want to push their agenda on everybody else. I don't blame any Christian church for severing ties with the BSOA. My goodness, this just opens the door to sexual child abuse. The evil of this makes me sick inside. Where is the America we once knew? I am ashamed of the Boy Scouts who used to be such a model organization.

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 07/02/13 - 11:37 pm
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Too Bad

Too bad that so many good organization become infiltrated with people and stuff that tears away at their core foundations.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 11:55 pm
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My goodness!!

It simply boggles my mind!!

"God’s love for me has never changed at all. And the reason He never "healed" me from being gay, despite my desperation, was because there was never anything wrong with me in the first place. I am as He created me."

And this person CLAIMS to be following the Father of Christ, then says that!! He must be one of the Christians that never gets around to actually reading the Bible; or he wouldn't have said God created him that way.

Look, I personally couldn't care less what ANYONE does in the privacy of their own lives. I would NEVER harass or attempt to harm anyone, for ANY reason. And If I witness someone harassing or harming a gay person; I would be the first to want to punch that person in the mouth, because I dislike bullies GREATLY!! EVERYONE should be able live peaceably, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

My problem is that because we don't APPROVE of the lifestyle, we are called bigots, homophobes, ect. I have several friends who are gay and I love them all the same. Who they choose as their partner is NOT my business, and is between them and GOD and ONLY between them and God. BUT, I will stand against legalized gay marriage because it's against the LAWS OF NATURE and God's creation of procreation!! I will also stand AGAINST gay's FORCING everyone to accept their lifesyle as the norm!! I will adamently stand against gays forcing Churches or other private organizations to accept their lifestyles. I believe they should form their OWN organizations and stop shoving their lives down everyones throat.

And, as for this "Christian" note; I'll again refer you to my above comment about disguises! But ultimately, whether this man is trying to be a real Christian or not is also between him and God. BUT, I will use God's Word to guide my decisions and Christ said "By their fruits, ye shall know them." Meaning, ANYONE can CLAIM to be anything!! But by their works, deeds and lifestyle, you will know who they are. I'm not judging, I'm discerning and there is a big difference. I'm not and would NEVER claim to judge this mans soul or condemn him to hell; that is certainly not my place. But I certainly WILL discern Christians from those who claim to be Christian; by utilizing God's Word and Christ's own advice!! When someone is sitting there claiming God "created them" the exact opposite of Biblical teachings and NATURE, I have my suspiciouns of their intentions; which might be to mislead others.

Also, this isn't a contest and I've never considered commenting on here a contest. When I said that about Westboro, I was simply saying "Is that the best argument/debate you can come up with". I didn't intend that you were losing anything, because of your comment; I just thought it was a shallow and cheap response to a debate. Westboro Baptist are a bunch of idiot lunatics, in my opinion!!

Now, having said that and since the Braves game is over and done; I'm going to bed.

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deestafford 07/02/13 - 11:51 pm
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Baden Powell, the founder of BSA, must be turning over in

his grave. The Scout oath about being ''morally straight" will now have to be changed...or should be because it no longer applies.

We will now see what churches stand for what they believe in and which ones talk the talk on Sunday and don't walk the walk.

If one supports the BSA now, they also support/condone homosexuality.

Hopefully, there will be some national organization which had the morals and teaching of the "old" Boy Scouts come into existence on a nation wide basis. Speaking as a former scout from the 50s and 60s, scouting is great for young boy and makes them great young men.

Since obama became president the gays are destroying the morals of the military and now their agenda has destroyed the Boy Scouts. What h&ll has been wrathed by one man.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 12:02 am
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deestafford

Hey, you're on to something there! Someone should start a new group and call them the "Old Boys Scouts".

Naaaw, that wouldn't work; the liberals would just sue and try to inflitrate that group as well.

Also, their agenda isn't simply to destroy the military and boy scouts; it's too destroy ANY organization or group who supports any Christian values or beliefs.

Now, for those who think I'm talking about homosexuals; I'm NOT!! I'm talking about RADICAL LEFT ACTIVISTS who USE these issues to push their hidden agenda!! Most common gay people are unknowing participants of the radical left agenda!! Some gay people really do want to just get married or be a boy scout, but the Radical leftists have a MUCH more sinister agenda; and most of them aren't gay!!

Now, having said THAT; I really am going to bed!!

Frank I
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Frank I 07/03/13 - 01:31 am
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I expect

I expect the next step will the excommunication of all of its membership who have divorced from their spouse, as that is against God's laws for man, else they find themselves to be hypocrites and liars

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burninater 07/03/13 - 02:33 am
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It's gotten to the point

It's gotten to the point where these tantrums about "Radical Leftists!" and the "Gay Agenda!" are just becoming downright funny.

I know y'all are in earnest, but I'm sorry -- it's become such an unsubstantive, self-referential trend to become more hysterically histrionic than the last hysterically histrionic post that taking it seriously has just become impossible.

Love is winning. Hate is losing. I'd say "Sorry," but I'm not.

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Dixieman 07/03/13 - 02:54 am
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Calm down

There are so many ignorant people out there who don't agree with you, and you will never persuade all of them to change their minds. So relax a bit and smell the roses.
Oh, sorry, if this was unclear - it is addressed to everyone posting on this topic. I've got my own strong views but I'm not Napoleon and if someone disagrees with me even after being exposed to my brilliant reasoning and scintillating humor, well that is their loss. I am not going to froth at the mouth or have a heart attack just because they are willfully blind to the truth.

Just My Opinion
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Just My Opinion 07/03/13 - 05:07 am
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I am greatly disappointed

I am greatly disappointed with Wesley United Methodist's Pastor Greg Porterfield. If he were my pastor, I would demand a better explanation and find out exactly where his head is at on other matters that are against the church. To say that he "had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church" misses the mark because, obviously, his church IS involved with this organization by sponsoring a troop. Would he keep his hands off if a group his church sponsors became associated with the likes of the KKK or the Black Panthers?? And yes, the change that I see in this case is that radical. The bottom line is that this preacher has bowed down and accepted defeat by becoming politically correct. This is actually very fascinating because, truthfully, my wife and I were just discussing visiting this church for membership, but now I have my doubts. A church leader has to show he is strong for the Lord and willing to make a stand FOR the Lord.
I also would like to congratulate myfather15 on defending his opinions so very well, with passion and intelligence. He was exactly correct.

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