Evans church breaking ties with Boy Scouts

Evans' Grace Baptist won't renew chapter

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A local Baptist church has decided to part ways with the Boy Scouts of America, and other Baptist pastors say they no longer support the organization now that openly gay youth can participate.

Grace Baptist Church Pastor Bill Hilley said Troop 686 cannot meet at the Evans church after the end of the year.

Church and Scout leaders are looking for an alternative program that provides similar opportunities without compromising the safety and well-being of boys, he said.

“It’s really related to our convictions about God’s plan for his people,” Hilley said.

Hilley decided not to renew the church’s Scout chapter even before the Southern Baptist Convention issued a resolution June 12 opposing the national group’s new
membership policy. The Baptist convention said allowing gay youth is at odds with Biblical views on sexuality.

The Rev. Brad Whitt, the pastor of Abilene Baptist Church, said he supported the resolution. Whitt, whose church does not play host to a Scout troop, recommended that parents make a careful decision about their sons’ participation based on their religious beliefs.

“We want to reach everybody for Jesus. But we can’t condone a lifestyle that goes against our convictions and teachings,” Whitt said.

The Georgia-Carolina Council of the Boy Scouts of America works with eight Baptist churches in the 16-county region that includes Au­gusta, said Scout executive Jeff Schwab. The churches represent 12 Scou­ting units with 194 youth members.

Schwab said 85 percent of members in the Georgia-Carolina Council opposed the membership policy change. Twenty adult volunteers have resigned from their positions.

Clay Holland, the Scout master of Troop 686, said some troop members could risk losing the work done toward their Eagle Scout awards – the highest in Scouting. Some will finish the award by December, but others might be forced to earn an equivalent award in another program.

“My goal as a scoutmaster is to provide information to boys, parents and troop leaders about what their options are,” Holland said.

Leaders of other Christian denominations said their relationship with the Boy Scouts will go unchanged.

Pastor Greg Porterfield said Scouts can continue to meet at Wesley United Meth­o­dist Church in Evans. He said he had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church.

“We have no power over it,” he said. “As an organization, Scouting has done a lot of great things.”

The Rev. Jerry Ragan, of St. Mary on the Hill Catholic Church, said he followed the recommendation of Catholic bishops in allowing Scout troops to continue meeting at the church.

“The Catholic Church doesn’t find that they have to break completely with them, and I think that’s a good thing,” Ragan said. “The original purpose was to teach good virtues as young men, and I think they are still trying to do that.”

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InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 04:43 pm
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WBC quote from the BSA

WBC quote from the BSA "approved a resolution to remove the restriction denying membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation alone."

So for 103 years they felt that homosexual behavior was wrong enough to deny membership to their organization but now they feel there is nothing wrong with it and they remove the restriction denying membership. Sure sounds to me like they are endorsing homosexual behavior as being okay or else they would have never lifted the restriction.

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burninater 07/03/13 - 04:47 pm
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"They are simply taking a

"They are simply taking a stand that says, we do not believe as you do and no longer wish to participate in what we feel is sinful behavior."
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Refusing to exclude a sinner is now sinful behavior? You are characterizing as sinful the example of Christ, of specifically accepting sinners into His flock rather than maintaining a policy of exclusion.

There needs to be established a new designation for this faith system that accepts the sacrifice of Christ for self-interested personal salvation, but views the example of Christ's actions as sinful. "Christian" creates the false sense that an individual honors and respects the example of Christ's actions and thought.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 04:51 pm
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In Revelations, there were

In Revelations, there were two Churches who God found NO fault in; the Church of Smyrna and Philadelphia.

If you want to be in a Church that is just in God's eyes, you might want to be a Church that teaches as THEY Did!!

Both Churches had ONE thing in common; they taught about those who CLAIM to be of our brother Judah, but are NOT and are of the synagogue of satan!!

Basically, they CLAIM to be Christian or of Christ and ARE NOT. Sound familiar on this thread?

Revelations 2:9 " I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Revelations 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Do NOT be fooled by those who create a false appearance of being Christian!! Learn straight from God's Word!!

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Revelation&chapter=3&v...

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 06:03 pm
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WBC

Who was it that made sexuality an issue in the boy scouts? There always has been homosexuals in the scouts but who thought it necessary to bring sexuality out in the open. You know as well as I do the next issue will be openly homosexuals serving as scout masters. This is all about forcing acceptance by everyone and in every group.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 05:01 pm
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Christ did not accept sinners

Christ did not accept sinners into "his flock" as you call it. He associated with sinners and called them into repentance. He did not accept their sinful behavior but convicted their hearts into salvation. Do some research on what happened to Ananias and Sapphira for their unrepentance. God’s reasons for bringing about the deaths of Ananias and Sapphira involve His abhorrence of sin, the unbelief of the two people and the lesson for the rest of the church, both then and now. With the emphasis of the modern church on God’s love and mercy, how easy it can be to gloss over the holiness of God, to forget that He is righteous and pure and that He hates sin with every fiber of His being.

Christ mingled with sinners all his life but he demands obedience. It is our Christian duty to employ discipline to guard the church's integrity, unity and purity.

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WalterBradfordCannon 07/03/13 - 05:27 pm
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Yes, Grace Baptist Church

Yes, Grace Baptist Church will ultimately suffer the wrath of God for their open display of prejudice and bigotry. The moral high ground here is not in the church, it is in the Boy Scouts.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 06:08 pm
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WBC

Has it exactly backwards.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 07:03 pm
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WBC, where exactly has GBC

WBC, where exactly has GBC displayed prejudice and bigotry. They are the ones living according to God's standards and they have not prejudice anyone.

Guess next they are going to force the church and pastors to marry homosexuals or they will be called prejudice and bigots.........and ya'll said it wouldn't come to that.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 07:18 pm
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No ICL:

Eventually, Pastor's will not be allowed to "discriminate" against gay couples; then the LAWSUITS will run rampant. It will force MANY Pastor's to quit. Yes, faith WOULD one day be ruled by the courts!! The Court's would be able to rule who is discriminating and who isn't. But, this will happen in the States first; they will get out of the business of recognizing legal marriage, period. States that are historically conservative Chrisitan, will at first TRY to stand strong in their stance; until the law suits decimate the States financially; then they will fold. But instead of recognizing gay marriage, they will remove themselves from recognizing any marriage, thinking this will relieve them of liability!! Liberals have done this for many years and it's getting worse! They use lawsuits to intimidate and pressure organizations to succumb to their will. It's happened in our schools for years, as you know. It's coming to EVERY facet of our lives!! But remember, we still have a SAVIOR!!

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 07:39 pm
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In light of the recent supreme court ruling, next on the agenda will be lawsuits seeking to force the remaining states that define marriage as a union between a man and woman to accept same sex marriages from other states under the equal protection clause of the 14 amendment. Given the recent supreme court decision, these states will be forced to recognize people who are legally married other states as being legally married in their state and this will open the door to numerous other lawsuits not unlike those that were filed during the civil rights era. These suits will involve hiring and firing practices and discrimination. Can Churches and non profits (501c3 & c4) charitable organizations be forced hire homosexuals. If discrimination based on sexual orientation exist these tax exempt groups including Churches will loose their Federal tax exempt status and worse. The Catholic church and all its not for profit groups will be a big target and my guess they will cave to political pressure. A few Churches will refuse and pay the price.

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faithson 07/03/13 - 07:56 pm
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handle it, handle it...

always what I told my children when adversity came into their realm... to each his own on this. for those who prefer to live the precepts of thousands of years ago, so be it. For those of us who live in the 'here and now', i also wish all the best. The Lord's message of the Fatherhood of -od and the botherhood of man will not be stymied by either side of this argument. It is in service to others that the 'word' of -od will be promoted... for those who wish to 'choose' who that word shall be dispenced upon, so be it. I remember well the apostles camplaining about the errant teacher in their ranks, Leave him be, He said. He that is not against us, is in the end for us. pace e bene.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 08:31 pm
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pace e bene.?

Luke 12:49 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

This sword we were given is the Gospel. To proclaim it will sometimes bring out the rage in men not peace so I expect rage and hate but will continue to speak God's truth.

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thauch12 07/03/13 - 09:29 pm
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TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD READING THIS MESSAGE BOARD:

Whatever the above posts may suggest, Augusta, Georgia is NOT filled with leftist spies or Biblical experts. A good many of us are happy, moderate people who quite frankly care neither that the Boy Scouts of America has decided to allow gay scouts into their fold nor that a local area church has decided to cut ties with the organization because of this. We also admit that we don't have all the answers (whether homosexuality is right, wrong, moral, immoral, pre-determined, a choice, etc.) and we are okay with that.

I fear what someone looking at this in 100 years may think after reading some of today's comments...

allhans
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allhans 07/03/13 - 09:31 pm
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Protecting your children is

Protecting your children is not punishing them. Quite the opposite.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 09:48 pm
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thauch12

I guess you could say you are indifferent or apathetic.

Jesus said in Luke 11:23 "Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me.

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politicalsanity 07/03/13 - 09:58 pm
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It's truly sad.

It's truly sad to see just how many despicable people here that are posting comments -- people that allege themselves to be Christians but who have COMPLETELY missed what Jesus of Nazareth was actually teaching. These people are in for a very rude awakening when they go before the Pearly Gates.

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palmetto1008 07/03/13 - 10:08 pm
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Fear and contempt does fill
Unpublished

Fear and contempt does fill collection plates, politicalsanity.

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deestafford 07/03/13 - 10:40 pm
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Let me tell y'all the future

Since the admittance of openly gays into the Boy Scouts was pushed by the National Council against the recommendations of all the regional councils, with the exception of the northeastern council, the next thing within a year or two will be the acceptance of openly gay scout leaders.

Out of the hundreds of sexual abuse in the Boy Scouts that have been committed, 100% have been by homosexuals. So, in the future when homosexuals become leaders and commit sexual abuse against a scout the scouts will be sued for millions of dollars because they knowingly allowed a homosexual to be a leader, knowing that 100% of sexual assaults were committed by gays, the BSA is directly accountable and responsible.

Some of you may laugh at this but write it down. It will happen.

Oh, by the way, the Bible says that you should not judge unless you are willing to be judged by the same standards. It does not say you cannot judge.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 11:40 pm
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dee

They say commit any sin you want as long as you do it with love in your heart God won't care.

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mosovich 07/03/13 - 11:55 pm
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You people are so misled...

You act like now all of a sudden boys will be hitting on boys and kinkiness around the camp fire.. Get a life.. The BSA has done wonders for my relationship with my son.. So there is a gay boy in your child's classroom at school.. Now what do you do, demand your child is put in another classroom?? You're all a bunch of homphobes.. I'm glad my church as decided to continue to support scouts, it's a great organization.. You and I may not agree with all the decisions they make, but the organization as a whole has made some great leaders for our country and will continue to do so..

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thauch12 07/04/13 - 12:52 am
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RMSHEFF

I guess you could say that's quite frankly between God and myself.

I guess you could say you have no definitive idea what Jesus Christ of Nazareth would say about the matter. I guess you could rattle off some obscure Biblical quotation taken out of context, thinking it proves a point. I guess you could make some conjectures and try to pass them off as facts.

But don't mind that, I'm just guessing ;)

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/04/13 - 09:36 am
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(mosovich) " So there is a

(mosovich) " So there is a gay boy in your child's classroom at school.. Now what do you do, demand your child is put in another classroom?? "

I don't believe this is the same thing at all. The churches who have decided not to continue sponsoring the BSA and the parents who have decided to withdrawl their son from this organization, are not forcing the BSA to do anything other than find another venue. I do believe that is their right to do....just as it is your right to continue to allow your son to participate.

I fail to see what the big issue is. It appears that those who see nothing wrong with allowing gay young boys in the organization and eventually gay scout leaders (because it will happen) are trying to force those who see something wrong with it to participate in something they are not comfortable with or else be considered a bigot, homophobe, or unchristian. Why the double standard folks?

"You act like now all of a sudden boys will be hitting on boys and kinkiness around the camp fire.."

Are you saying mosovich that it won't happen, or that it has happened and this thought is nothing new. I do believe the potential for some unwanted sexual misconduct is more viable in an overnight camping tent than in a public school classroom or a playground at recess. But that is just my opinion.

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corgimom 07/05/13 - 07:17 am
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"Out of the hundreds of

"Out of the hundreds of sexual abuse in the Boy Scouts that have been committed, 100% have been by homosexuals". That's not true.

Please educate yourself, Dee Stafford, about pedophiles. A lot of them will go after whoever's handy- boys or girls. It's about dominance, manipulation, power, and control. It's about liking children instead of adults. It's about perversion. And the molesters aren't homosexual at all.

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effete elitist liberal 07/05/13 - 08:15 am
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Bigots can change

Here's a fun thing to do. Read up on the history of the Southern Baptists' justification of slavery, and later segregation, using Bible verses. Among many, many others, Baptists cited 1 Corinthians 7:21, Galatians 3:28, and 1 Timothy 1:10, and Paul’s message in Timothy 6:1-5. And for many years, Southern Baptist churches remained almost completely segregated. I wonder if Grace Baptist Church still believes the Bible justifies segregation? I bet Pastor Hilley would say all races are welcome at his church. So indeed bigots can change.

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RMSHEFF 07/05/13 - 09:38 am
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EEL

It sounds like you "judge" a church by the color of the congregation rather than the content of their theology. The judgment of externals!

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 07/05/13 - 10:32 am
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"judge"

RMSHEFF: my point, obviously, was that in the past, the "theology" of Southern Baptists have led them to restrict the color of their "congregation." You simply cannot deny that in the past, Southern Baptists recited Bible verses to justify segregation, just as today so many cite Bible verses to condemn homosexuality. You cannot separate "theology" from whose welcome in the "congregation" of Southern Baptist churches. My further point was most Southern Baptists have moved on, and there is little overt racism in the church. My final point was that this little history proves the Baptist church can change over the issue of homosexuality. Let's hope it does.

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myfather15 07/05/13 - 10:37 am
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Corgimom

OMG!! That is laughable! Men who go after boys are NOT homosexuals, only pedophiles. Really?

This is nothing more than an attempt at confusing people again. Kinda like saying "You don't understand the complex issue of pedophelia and homosexuality, but I do because I'm super smart. You should just listen to me and not try to understand it; it's to complex for your simple mind. A man molesting MALE children isn't homosexual at all, ONLY a pedophile."

Only in a liberals world could this EVER make sense!!

CONFUSION!! Confuse the people and they won't have the slightest clue what the TRUTH is, then you've got them right where you need them!

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RMSHEFF 07/05/13 - 12:20 pm
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EEL

Whatever Bible verses were use to support segregation were obviously misinterpreted because my Bible makes it clear that God is no respecter of person but to then conclude that because some group misinterpreted Scripture 150 years ago, those that believe what the Bible makes clear about homosexuality therefore are wrong today. What kind of "logic" is that? In your mind, no one can make a definitive statement about any sin mentioned in the Bible because someone at sometime misinterpreted some verse. By this same logic the Southern Baptist would not be able to condemn adultery either! The "liberal mind"....who can understand it.

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InChristLove 07/05/13 - 01:27 pm
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I can see where people years

I can see where people years ago could misinterpret and take scripture out of context concerning slavery and black/white marriages but I can not see how you can misinterpret or take out of context

1 Corinthians 6:9–11 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. "

Thanks be to God for His willingness to forgive.

Homosexual behavior is just as much a sin today as the prejudice shown to blacks many years ago. But thankfully, in either situation, God is just and willing to forgive if we repent and seek forgiveness.

The difference I see today is that many Baptist churches congregations are becoming mixed and they are coming together to worship God as a body of believers, not as black or whites. I see a change in behavior and I believe it pleases God. On the other hand, I see nothing but boasting, and outright pride in the sinful living of homosexuals. God allows us to be tempted and have attraction to a lot of things....it doesn't mean we have to act on those temptations. Question is, who is your God, the Almighty Father or your libido? What is more important, following Christ, or following your own desires. What or who is your God.

I see no seeking forgiveness, only a demand for acceptance and tolerance. Sadly, God does not have to tolerant and you can condemn Christians till Christ returns for obeying the teachings of Christ but in the end, He will say to those who obeyed "Well done, my good and faithful servant" and to those who choose to live their way "Depart from me, I never knew you".

Big question is......which one do you want to hear when you leave this world?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/05/13 - 04:23 pm
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"And for many years, Southern

"And for many years, Southern Baptist churches remained almost completely segregated. I wonder if Grace Baptist Church still believes the Bible justifies segregation? "

EEL, How many Black Southern Baptist Churchs have white members and how many White Southern Baptist Churchs have black members. Churches have been what you term as segregated not because of prejudice (although you'd wish they were so it would support your false accusations) but because of the cultural and ethical differences. The African American community worship in a different musical and traditional style than White American communities. Older white Southern Baptist tend to lean toward traditional hymns, Older black Baptist tend to lean toward old fashion gospel, and most people attend churches they are comfortable with and traditionally. Younger white and blacks tend to lean toward contemporary chrisitian music and style. If you did some research you would find that more and more churches these days are becoming mixed but for the most part, people worship with their own ethnic group not because of racial prejudice but because that is what they are comfortable with.

So EEL spout all your garbage but you are wrong.

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