Evans church breaking ties with Boy Scouts

Evans' Grace Baptist won't renew chapter

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A local Baptist church has decided to part ways with the Boy Scouts of America, and other Baptist pastors say they no longer support the organization now that openly gay youth can participate.

Grace Baptist Church Pastor Bill Hilley said Troop 686 cannot meet at the Evans church after the end of the year.

Church and Scout leaders are looking for an alternative program that provides similar opportunities without compromising the safety and well-being of boys, he said.

“It’s really related to our convictions about God’s plan for his people,” Hilley said.

Hilley decided not to renew the church’s Scout chapter even before the Southern Baptist Convention issued a resolution June 12 opposing the national group’s new
membership policy. The Baptist convention said allowing gay youth is at odds with Biblical views on sexuality.

The Rev. Brad Whitt, the pastor of Abilene Baptist Church, said he supported the resolution. Whitt, whose church does not play host to a Scout troop, recommended that parents make a careful decision about their sons’ participation based on their religious beliefs.

“We want to reach everybody for Jesus. But we can’t condone a lifestyle that goes against our convictions and teachings,” Whitt said.

The Georgia-Carolina Council of the Boy Scouts of America works with eight Baptist churches in the 16-county region that includes Au­gusta, said Scout executive Jeff Schwab. The churches represent 12 Scou­ting units with 194 youth members.

Schwab said 85 percent of members in the Georgia-Carolina Council opposed the membership policy change. Twenty adult volunteers have resigned from their positions.

Clay Holland, the Scout master of Troop 686, said some troop members could risk losing the work done toward their Eagle Scout awards – the highest in Scouting. Some will finish the award by December, but others might be forced to earn an equivalent award in another program.

“My goal as a scoutmaster is to provide information to boys, parents and troop leaders about what their options are,” Holland said.

Leaders of other Christian denominations said their relationship with the Boy Scouts will go unchanged.

Pastor Greg Porterfield said Scouts can continue to meet at Wesley United Meth­o­dist Church in Evans. He said he had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church.

“We have no power over it,” he said. “As an organization, Scouting has done a lot of great things.”

The Rev. Jerry Ragan, of St. Mary on the Hill Catholic Church, said he followed the recommendation of Catholic bishops in allowing Scout troops to continue meeting at the church.

“The Catholic Church doesn’t find that they have to break completely with them, and I think that’s a good thing,” Ragan said. “The original purpose was to teach good virtues as young men, and I think they are still trying to do that.”

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faithson
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faithson 07/03/13 - 02:16 pm
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it is just to darn hard...

reminds me of my dad... a man who was just fine with himself. As the world around him changed, he held tight... His life became a greek tragedy, dying alone, in his famous chair... He showed no interest for others and thus no one showed interest for him. I loved my father, but the man reminds me of so many on these boards who have crystallized the truth into stone, thus hardening their hearts to the reality around them.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 02:23 pm
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JMTHOMPSON

You have a very small view of God. To think that believers are not called to Holiness is to eliminate 80% of God's Word to fit your idea of who God is. Like most liberal progressives your hermeneutic is "whatever is kind or loving" to the exclusion of the effects of sin. God is a Holy God. Your "broad road" interpretation of God being "ok" with sinfulness as long as you are loving is the same tactic satin use in Genesis when he said "did God actually say". Sad...very Sad!

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 02:32 pm
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Faithson

1 Thessalonians 5 Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil. You like most progressives have abandoned your search for the Truth assuming it does not exist or if it does we cannot know it, therefore everyone has his own truth that is just as valid as the next. Everything is relative in your mind.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 02:37 pm
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Frank

Read Deuteronomy 24 and tell me DIVORCE IS forbidden in the Christian faith!!

Why don't you LEARN what you're talking before spouting things that are NOT true!!!

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Bizkit 07/03/13 - 02:40 pm
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Well I understand where

Well I understand where you're coming from but Paul was doing what Christ had chosen him to do and that isn't my task. Christ told all of us to "Go" and tell the "Good News" and to love God and each other-what part of "Go" or "love" do you not understand? I am going with what Christ says rather than the Pauline theology which was specific to certain tasks and much has been over analyzed incorrectly out of context too-like Paul used women in his ministry but the one occasion where not much ado is made. I think Christ trumps Paul-at least that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Paul is inspirational and did reproach some of the Apostles and early church fathers as mentioned-but that is what Christ through the Spirit had him do. I don't think that is message for us all to lay judgment on others when Christ was pretty specific not to.

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Bizkit 07/03/13 - 02:47 pm
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Anyways I am not compromising

Anyways I am not compromising about what God defines as "sin" which man there are quite a few I'd like to change. But it's God's Kingdom and he makes the rules so I try to obey. But I figure I should be sympathetic with all sinners because he showed me the grace in my despicable state. So now I am still a sinner but my sins are covered by the Blood of the Lamb. How can I condemn others without feeling like I'm driving a stake into Christ's limbs. But I agree you have to know what a sin is and admit to it.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 03:05 pm
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jmthompson

1 Sin is a "Social Issue" ? Thats a good one…thanks I need a laugh.

2 Worship on Sunday. In the new testament the Apostle Paul makes it clear we are not to be held to a "Sabbath" day. It no longer matters what day we worship.

3 The Bible does not teach the earth is the physical center of the universe nor that the earth is flat or slavery is OK. Women can have leadership roles in the Church just not a Pastor.

4 Science supports Scripture.

5 The Church has a bad track record. This depends how you define the Church.

6 We have so many translations because there are so many languages.

Your final statements are amazing. You spent 80% of your words saying we don't or can't know God's truth or his mind and then profess you know God's truth " “Love the Lord with all your heart and love your neighbor as you love yourself" which is true of God but to the exclusion of His righteous Judgment of Sin. In other words you are telling people "go ahead and sin all you want" God does not care. Telling someone this is the most "unloving" thing you could do because we must all stand before Him and give account. Maybe you should practice this love you claim by telling them the truth about sin. Either the verse below is true or it is not.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 03:09 pm
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There is no such thing as

There is no such thing as "Pauline theology" 2 Timothy 3 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Paul's words are God's words.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 03:12 pm
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My Christian brothers;

We should not marvel that the LP's use scripture and twist Christ's teachings, when debating the issues!

What was it that Satan used to tempt Christ on the mount? SCRIPTURE!! He quoted scripture VERY well, but he would just twist it slightly, therefore it would lose it's true meaning. Christ didn't fall for it and it's pretty clear none of you are either. They can keep trying but it won't work for educated Christians; who know their Father's Word.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 03:14 pm
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Corgimom, avoiding answering

Corgimom, avoiding answering the question will not make your stance any more valid. Please reply, do you think Grace Baptist Church has a right to tell a secular organization to find another venue to meet at because the secular groups philosophy is not in align with the churches biblical teachings. Forget what the reason is....does the church have a right to discontinue offering this group a place to meet?

This has nothing to do with the church condemning the gay scouts or trying to have the gays kicked out of the Boy Scouts. The church evidently has no issue with the BSA allowing gay scouts to continue to attend the meetings, they just don't want to allow it in their church....which I believe they have a right. Do you see it differently?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 03:18 pm
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RMSHEFF

Mr. Thompson doesn't want to hear about us having to stand before Him and answer for our wrongful decisions!!

" For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

They don't want to hear SOUND DOCTRINE; they want to listen to "Preachers" like MR. Porterfield that says anything they do is fine with God!!

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 03:20 pm
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Myfather15

Good point..it was clear that Christ believed every word of scripture as He always responded....it is written....in other words scripture was absolute truth and the very word of GOD.

Just My Opinion
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Just My Opinion 07/03/13 - 03:29 pm
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InChristLove, earlier you had

InChristLove, earlier you had mentioned a "Sunday School Class". Sadly...very sadly to me...my church has informed us that we will no longer be using that "outdated" term of "Sunday School Class" and shall instead use the term "Life Group"! They gave us a lot of prattle about why we should use it, but it seems clear to me that our pastor has succumbed to political correctness. I'm afraid of where else our pastor's PC views might take us. Seems our "Way of Life" might be going where many of us don't want it to go. But that's another story for another time.

And, Corgimom, I guess I'm one of "those people" you were talking about when you said "...gay boys are going to school and seeing their friends in the showers at school and they do just fine, but don't try to explain that to those people.". I've heard that scenario mentioned before, and I'm sorry, it just sounds absurd to me. Okay, let me break it down for you, because I do want you to see where I'm coming from with this.....homosexuals are attracted to members of the same sex JUST LIKE heterosexuals are attracted to members of the opposite sex, correct? The only way heterosexuals are NOT "turned on" if they were in a mass-shower with members of the opposite sex is if those people were big, fat, and ugly....crude picture, but you should see my point. So, if that attraction phenomenon is the same with homo- and heterosexuals, then how in the world could homosexuals NOT look at and be attracted to those others in the same mass-shower?? Going by proponents of the Gay lifestyle, that just would not be possible because it wouldn't be what they consider "natural"! So yes, if little "Gay Johnnie" is taking a shower with his P.E. class, he will "naturally" look at the other males and think his thoughts....JUST LIKE little "Straight Nate" would look at females and think his thoughts. The major difference is that Johnnie would more than likely keep his thoughts to himself while he is in that shower, because he knows that the straight males in there would not "appreciate" his thoughts!
So do you see that side of the argument?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 03:30 pm
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2nd Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we

2nd Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."

Verse 14: " And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed."

Verse 15: " Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

Don't think it gets much more clear. As Christians, we are NOT suppose to be around those who act NOT according to the faith!! We are NOT to count them as enemies, meaning DO NOT harm them, but certainly we are NOT suppose to be around them. Doesn't that sound EXACTLY like what this Church is trying to do?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 03:42 pm
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myfather15, I do believe it

myfather15, I do believe it is also wise to explain that by "not suppose to be around them" does not mean you do not witness to them. What it means is do not become bossom buddies with them, do not hang out with them as you would your Christian friends. It is one thing to witness to my neighbor, help them out in a time of need, or be kind to them, but it is another thing to hang out in the places you know you shouldn't be at, listen to the off color jokes they tell, or go along with the things you know are not biblically right.

burninater
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burninater 07/03/13 - 03:47 pm
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Very simple question.

Very simple question. If allowing a sinful behavior in a group is accepting or endorsing that sin, then why did Christ allow sinners in his flock?

Allowing homosexual scouts is not endorsing the lifestyle. It is including them in the flock. How can a person behave the exact OPPOSITE of Christ, and think they are Christian?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 03:48 pm
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ICL

Absolutely!! We are always suppose to witness to ANYONE and everyone. But, if they refuse to listen, we wash our hands of them and walk away. We are NOT suppose to continue casting our pearls before swine, for them to trampel on!!

And the CHURCHES certainly are NOT suppose to continue support for groups whose beliefs are NOT in line with Biblical teachings! Don't harm them, but certainly don't support them! Pull support Churches!! More and more need to do so!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 03:56 pm
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(burninater) " Very simple

(burninater) "
Very simple question. If allowing a sinful behavior in a group is accepting or endorsing that sin, then why did Christ allow sinners in his flock?

Allowing homosexual scouts is not endorsing the lifestyle. It is including them in the flock. How can a person behave the exact OPPOSITE of Christ, and think they are Christian?"

Very Simple Answer.....it not the allowing to be in the group that is the issue. It is the not being allowed to point out the behavior out as sin. When a fellow brother or sister in Christ sins, it is our duty to bring that sinful behavior out into the light so that repentance and forgivenss can be received. Christ mingled with the sinner but He always pointed out their sin and called that sinner into repentance.....why should we Christians be any different. That is not OPPOSITE of Christ.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 07/03/13 - 04:02 pm
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Scouts do not allow sexual

Scouts do not allow sexual behavior (homosexual or heterosexual) at scouting events, period. Thessalonians is at odds with the teachings of Jesus - which is not that odd, since Paul's only direct experience with Jesus was hearing his voice on the way to Damascus (and it includes no mention of not hanging out with gay people). Paul had a lot to do with the creation of the Christian church, but in many ways the church embodies many things that are directly opposed by the teachings of Jesus. Do you say the Lord's Prayer at church or in your closet?

If Grace Baptist church were to delve deeply into the teachings of scouting, they would find a very high degree of congruence with the teachings of Jesus, and nothing that is directly forbidden. Scouting allows people of any religious denomination but requires reverence towards all. In that sense, Baptists have a lot to learn from scouting.

burninater
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burninater 07/03/13 - 04:09 pm
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Interesting answer ICL,

Interesting answer ICL, because it falsely characterizes the situation.

The scout policy is only to include gay scouts. Not to endorse or approve of the sin, but simply to include.

The prior choice to exclude, and now this church's decision to exclude, is the opposite of Christ's embracing of the sinner.

To call this behavior "Christian" is a lie, plain and simple.

This behavior may be religious, but it is clearly not Christian.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 04:13 pm
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Well Walter, I believe a

Well Walter, I believe a direct experience with the Almighty where He blinds you and then heals you is a pretty powerful meeting. By the way, the Lord does tell us to prayer in the quietness but He didn't say ALL prayer had to be done in quietness. Do some more research than just picking one verse out to make your point.....you're incorrect.

Since the building belongs to God and the members of Grace Baptist Church and since their belief is that homosexual behavior is a sin, and since the BSA have decided to overlook the sinfulness of homosexual behavior, then I would say that GBC has a right to tell this group they need to find another venue to hold their meetings. I seriously doubt the Baptist need to learn from scouting but scouting could learn a lot about obedience and righteousness to God.

"nothing that is directly forbidden" I beg to differ. If the BSA agree that there is nothing wrong with homosesual behavior then it goes directly against what is forbidden in scripture. You can deny it, and that is your choice.....doesn't mean you are right.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 04:17 pm
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Well burninater, I disagree

Well burninater, I disagree with you on this, but that isn't anything new.

burninater
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burninater 07/03/13 - 04:20 pm
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No, ICL, you aren't

No, ICL, you aren't disagreeing with me.

Your disagreement is with the clear example Christ set. Your disagreement is, in fact, with Christ.

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OJP 07/03/13 - 04:27 pm
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@ICL

"The issue is whether a church has the right to tell a secular organization that they need to find another venue to hold their meetings because the core belief of their secular oganization has now changed to go against the church's religious belief and standards.

Does the church have the right to tell a secular group that they need to find another venue?"

No, that is not the issue. No one (as far as I know) thinks or is arguing that the church should be forced to interact with the Boy Scouts. However, any church that chooses to do so should be shunned by decent society (as if they decision were based on race).

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 04:28 pm
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BPopePC....Hmmmm, who is

BPopePC....Hmmmm, who is judging?

Burn, the church is only asking the BSA to find a different venue for their meetings and I think that is their right. They are not placing any judgement on the BSA or trying to exclude any scout. They are simply taking a stand that says, we do not believe as you do and no longer wish to participate in what we feel is sinful behavior.

I asked and no one seemed to want to answer.....if this was a group of adults who decided they wanted to practice witchcraft or start having orgies or start gambling on Friday nights.....do you feel the church should continue to let the group meet in their church even though it specifically says in scripture that witchcraft, gambling and being sexually immoral is a sin?

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 07/03/13 - 04:28 pm
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InChristLove, it is your

InChristLove, it is your intentional misinterpretation of the changes in the BSA's guidelines that is at issue here. BSA does not teach boys to be homosexual. It does not teach anything about homosexual behavior. It does not teach anything about heterosexual behavior, either. BSA does not "agree there is nothing wrong with homosexual behavior". The BSA's specific stance is that sexual orientation is not a determinant of whether one can be a scout or not. IThey basically banned discrimination on people for being born a certain way. Note that there is not now, and never was, any statement from BSA about homosexual behavior being morally acceptable. You are making that up.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 04:37 pm
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A person who would say this:

"Paul had a lot to do with the creation of the Christian church, but in many ways the church embodies many things that are directly opposed by the teachings of Jesus. Do you say the Lord's Prayer at church or in your closet?"

I would seriously be REAL careful listening to this persons advice on Christianity!! Since they are going completely AGAINST the teachings of God and then saying PAUL was a questionable Christian, WOW!! Does anyone believe this person is an actual Christian? Paul wrote MOST of the new testament, but according to THIS PERSON, he isn't worthy for us to listen to. I mean, God included much of Paul's writings into the Bible, but WALTER says we shouldn't listen to him. WOW!!

Wolves in sheeps clothing!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 04:33 pm
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"Your disagreement is with

"Your disagreement is with the clear example Christ set. Your disagreement is, in fact, with Christ."

As I said, I disgree with you.....and I find it rather hilarious that you of all people would think you know what the clear example of Christ is. LOL

With that note.....good day burninater.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/03/13 - 04:35 pm
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BpopePC

God IS the only one to judge the SOUL, but we certainly are to discern; which is where liberals LOVE to confuse people. Liberals spout that if you say ANYTHING against ANYONES lifestyle, you're judging, which is a LIE!! There is a huge difference in judging and discerning!!

Also, judgeing the SOUL is God's job, as stated above! But God himself placed JUDGES here on earth to judge mankind, IN THE FLESH!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 04:37 pm
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"No, that is not the issue.

"No, that is not the issue. No one (as far as I know) thinks or is arguing that the church should be forced to interact with the Boy Scouts. "

However, any church that chooses to do so should be shunned by decent society (as if they decision were based on race).

Well I guess GBC will just have to suffer the loss from what you perceive as a "decent society" and hold their beliefs, after all I do believe the wrath of God's punishment is more important than was this temporary world thinks.

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