Evans church breaking ties with Boy Scouts

Evans' Grace Baptist won't renew chapter

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A local Baptist church has decided to part ways with the Boy Scouts of America, and other Baptist pastors say they no longer support the organization now that openly gay youth can participate.

Grace Baptist Church Pastor Bill Hilley said Troop 686 cannot meet at the Evans church after the end of the year.

Church and Scout leaders are looking for an alternative program that provides similar opportunities without compromising the safety and well-being of boys, he said.

“It’s really related to our convictions about God’s plan for his people,” Hilley said.

Hilley decided not to renew the church’s Scout chapter even before the Southern Baptist Convention issued a resolution June 12 opposing the national group’s new
membership policy. The Baptist convention said allowing gay youth is at odds with Biblical views on sexuality.

The Rev. Brad Whitt, the pastor of Abilene Baptist Church, said he supported the resolution. Whitt, whose church does not play host to a Scout troop, recommended that parents make a careful decision about their sons’ participation based on their religious beliefs.

“We want to reach everybody for Jesus. But we can’t condone a lifestyle that goes against our convictions and teachings,” Whitt said.

The Georgia-Carolina Council of the Boy Scouts of America works with eight Baptist churches in the 16-county region that includes Au­gusta, said Scout executive Jeff Schwab. The churches represent 12 Scou­ting units with 194 youth members.

Schwab said 85 percent of members in the Georgia-Carolina Council opposed the membership policy change. Twenty adult volunteers have resigned from their positions.

Clay Holland, the Scout master of Troop 686, said some troop members could risk losing the work done toward their Eagle Scout awards – the highest in Scouting. Some will finish the award by December, but others might be forced to earn an equivalent award in another program.

“My goal as a scoutmaster is to provide information to boys, parents and troop leaders about what their options are,” Holland said.

Leaders of other Christian denominations said their relationship with the Boy Scouts will go unchanged.

Pastor Greg Porterfield said Scouts can continue to meet at Wesley United Meth­o­dist Church in Evans. He said he had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church.

“We have no power over it,” he said. “As an organization, Scouting has done a lot of great things.”

The Rev. Jerry Ragan, of St. Mary on the Hill Catholic Church, said he followed the recommendation of Catholic bishops in allowing Scout troops to continue meeting at the church.

“The Catholic Church doesn’t find that they have to break completely with them, and I think that’s a good thing,” Ragan said. “The original purpose was to teach good virtues as young men, and I think they are still trying to do that.”

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RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 08:59 am
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Cameron Poe

One question....according to Scripture is homosexuality a sin? Is Polygamy a sin? Simple questions....

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Cameron Poe 07/03/13 - 09:01 am
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Well then RMSHEFF since you

Well then RMSHEFF since you are without sin then I guess you get to cast the first stone.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 09:05 am
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Who said I was without sin?

Who said I was without sin?

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 09:06 am
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If a person refuses to

If a person refuses to acknowledge his sin, he therefore thinks he is without sin.

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Cameron Poe 07/03/13 - 09:07 am
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Well then maybe you should

Well then maybe you should drop those stones back on the ground.

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Bizkit 07/03/13 - 09:13 am
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The nanny state is when

The nanny state is when people want to tell a Christian, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, or Boy Scout what "their" beliefs have to be. Sad such "hate" is evoked rather than a celebration of freedom and diversity in America. Very disturbing. I guess next you'll tell me that marriage now is "only" defined as between the same gender-all heterosexual marriages are verboten. No, no, no all these differing ideas can't possibly coexist in America the land of the "spree", "tree", ah I remember "free".

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rmwhitley 07/03/13 - 09:09 am
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Do any of
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you lefty parents really want a homosexual scout master as your role model for the boy who is supposed to produce your progeny?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 09:14 am
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faithson, you asked "Just

faithson, you asked "Just where else do some of you think these tormented young men will find their way"

In a Sunday School class directed by Godly men, not in a secular group lead by men who may or may not be Godly men.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 09:20 am
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Casting Stones ?

Sorry but your logic escapes me. My calling is to present the Good News or gospel. God's Grace and Mercy to those who are lost. Those living in the bondage of sin. Just as John the Baptist said "repent" for the kingdom of God is at hand. If a person does not recognize his sinfulness he believes he has no need for the Savior. Acknowledgment of sin is the first step in the salvation process and you call this casting stones.

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nocnoc 07/03/13 - 09:33 am
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Boy Scouts of America is a private organization

It can set its own policies.

While I disagree with the vote based on the original BSA creed, they have chosen to be PC and appeal for a wider audience.

Certain factions by hook or by crook have literally gut shot the BSA and likely eliminated an organization that once produced great leaders.

BTW: based on previous court rulings the term "Scouts" is a trademark and various forms like "Christian Scouts" cannot be used.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 09:34 am
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Seems to me this is a good

Seems to me this is a good lesson for Houses of God not to allow secular organizations use their buildings. If a House of God can not point out sinful conduct and uphold the teachings of Christ without being called a bigot, hypocrite, or other derogatory names, then I think churches should be strickly for worshiping God, and biblical marriages. The Father convicts and points out our sinful nature and calls us to repentance every week, how is this any different than Grace Baptist Church. If they feel the secular organization is being disrepectful to the Lord and His house, then what is the big deal with telling the organization to find another meeting place?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 09:41 am
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'Pastor Greg Porterfield said

'Pastor Greg Porterfield said the Boy Scouts can continue to meet at Wesley United Methodist Church in Evans. Porterfield said he had no right to intervene in an organization separate from the church.

“We have no power over it,” he said. “As an organization, Scouting has done a lot of great things.”

Is Pastor Porterfield saying he has not control over what occurs on the grounds of his church? If he is suppose to be the spiritual leader of this church established by God, wouldn't you think him and the church body would have a right to say something is sinful and not in obedience with God's will?

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navycubfan 07/03/13 - 09:45 am
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I have read through all of the previous comments

And I agree with some and disagree with others....I have a couple of questions...

1) How many of those posting are members of Grace Baptist Church?
2) How many of those posting are members of (or parents of members)Troop 686?

Those two groups are the ones truly affected by GBC's decision. A decision made because of the BSA's decision to allow gays to be members but not leaders.

From the sounds of it both the scout leaders AND church leaders are looking into alternative activities for the boys. So that leads me to believe it wasn't the church's decision alone. This is a hot topic with strong opinions on both sides. Spewing hate towards each other is never going to change the other sides minds.

Hate the sin but love the sinner is the basis of Jesus' example.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 09:53 am
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Very good point. This shows me that some "Spiritual" leaders have lost their desire or will to stay true to God's word regarding sin. He has waved the white flag of surrender to political correctness and social pressure. To do otherwise would have cause him to take the heat from those on the other side but Christ told us that the world hates me they will likewise hate you. This is part of the falling away....if you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Father. Everyone will have to choose a side and I think many of these pastors have chose the wrong side.

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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 10:02 am
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navycubfan "Hate the sin but

navycubfan "Hate the sin but love the sinner is the basis of Jesus' example."

You are so right but the problem is, secular society (and some "Christians") believe that in order to love the sinner you must accept or approve of the sin. They can not accept the concept that you can love someone but disapprove of their behavior. If you disapprove, then you must be judging them. Of course that is not so.

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corgimom 07/03/13 - 10:05 am
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Just so y'all know, when I

Just so y'all know, when I was a Girl Scout, we went camping- and men were there.

Nothing happened. I guess some people think that everybody is frothing at the mouth to have sex with everybody, everywhere.

To suggest that every gay teen wants to have sex with every male they see would be laughable if it wasn't so ludicrous.

And the gay kids are in there now. Does anybody really believe that every single Boy Scout is heterosexual? And would anybody like to talk about the numerous incidents of the supposedly straight Boy Scout leaders that molested boys?

You wonder about some people, how they raised their children, if they think that every teenager is so lacking in control and morals that they would try and have sex. That sounds to me like a parental failing. If a child is gay, just like a heterosexual child, if they want to have sex, they will, and they don't need to go camping to do it.

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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 10:22 am
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Corgimom, whether a teen

Corgimom, whether a teen wants to have sex (heter or homosexual), is not the issue here really. The issue is whether a church has the right to tell a secular organization that they need to find another venue to hold their meetings because the core belief of their secular oganization has now changed to go against the church's religious belief and standards.

Does the church have the right to tell a secular group that they need to find another venue?

That is the jest of this article, although it has been made out to be something else....like always.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 10:34 am
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I will restate my question

I will restate my question from an earlier post. This is the question that everyone who claims Christ and that the Bible is God's word needs to answer in their own heart.

Two question....according to Scripture is homosexuality a sin? Is Polygamy a sin? Simple questions..

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Bizkit 07/03/13 - 11:01 am
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I know homosexuals are

I know homosexuals are offended by being called the "Q" word-why do people feel validated to cast disparaging remarks towards Christians as "homophobes", etc. if they disagree with homosexual behavior because it is defined as "sin". It isn't an argument just an ad hominem. See Christians have this book called the Bible that defines this behavior as "sin" so that is the rules they play by-they don't make the rules just suppose to abide by them. What rule book are secularist following to cast dispersions towards Christians to label them? Now there are lots of these "sins" so it isn't personal nor is anyone immune-after all the church is filled with murderers, adulterers, homosexuals, lawyers, politicians, car salesmen, etc. all kinds of sinners. LOL. It's hard to cast stones with the big 2X4 in our eyes-miss the target nearly every time.

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Bizkit 07/03/13 - 11:10 am
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Christ tells people to "love"

Christ tells people to "love" their enemies-people like Putin, Saddam, bin Laden. Tells us not to "judge" folks too. Those are some high standards I see few reach. I've never known a Christian who wasn't a sinner, one that wouldn't let you down as any person, nor is able to not sin. Seems we are all in the same boat-just what paddle you choose to use seems to be the issue. Some choose Christ as their paddle others choose another or no paddle.

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InChristLove 07/03/13 - 11:15 am
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"Now there are lots of these

"Now there are lots of these "sins" so it isn't personal nor is anyone immune-after all the church is filled with murderers, adulterers, homosexuals, lawyers, politicians, car salesmen, etc. all kinds of sinners. LOL. It's hard to cast stones with the big 2X4 in our eyes-miss the target nearly every time."

Bizkit, seems like I view this in a different light. I see this issue as casting stones. I don't think GBC is being judgmental or throwing stones.

Excuse me "don't see this issue as casting stones.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 11:24 am
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Bizkit

It is not possible to deal with sin in my life without know what sin is. God in His word has told us exactly what sin is. Either one can deny God's word or reinterpret it to fit his desires. I happen to believe that God spoke to us in His Word, He did not mumble but spoke clearly. We can either accept it or reject it but we not change or redefine it. "men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil."

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jmb578 07/03/13 - 11:28 am
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Wake Up!

Grace Baptist Church has every right to break it's connection with The Boy Scouts. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 6:14 "For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" The Scouts have now allowed wickedness to be openly flaunted as if it is something to be celebrated. What was once an honorable organization is now a disgrace. It's funny to me that the homosexual movement wants everyone to be so tolerant of their lifestyle, but yet they can't tolerate moves like this that show disagreement. In fact, it makes them seethe. It's a double standard.

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belle 07/03/13 - 11:29 am
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While I think this entire line of commentary is ridiculous and the most UN-Christian behavior I have ever read or witnessed I do believe the Church must have the right to operate separately from the State. So yes, they have the right to choose not to support Boy Scouts and Wesley has the right to choose to continue doing so. If you don't like their decisions, find a church you do like.

All that being said, the Boy Scouts are not a perfect organization or fully Christian in their operation either. I once had a Leader of a large Troop tell me that they would not allow any boy to attend whose parent's did not sign up for an active participatory role within the troop. Well, great, now you are serving the boys with strong family support. What about the majority out there who do not have that? Let 'em rot? If you want to grow better men you should lead by example and reach out to those who need you most.

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RMSHEFF 07/03/13 - 11:39 am
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Bizkit

The Apostle Paul spent most of his life calling Christians out of sin and error,using the Scripture for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: His writing are full of, "do this, don't do that". I guess he was a Major league "stone thrower" in you mind! He should have kept quite because he was seen as "judgmental"

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jmthompson 07/03/13 - 12:07 pm
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Two Questions

No and no. They are not theological issues they are social issues. But just like the idea that “Worship should be Sunday” or that the earth is the center of the universe, or that the earth is flat, or that slavery is acceptable, or that inter racial marriage is wrong, or that woman should not have leadership roles in the church, or that science threatens true belief in God, people use the Bible to support what they believe is right and even kill people that do not agree with them. "The Church" does not have a good track record! . So why have those beliefs changed? (Some of them did not; the majority of all churches in the US do not allow women as pastors. How did they ever get the right to vote any way?? :=) ) . And honestly I have met few people that have ever actually read the Bible. Lots of folks have read the 35th or 36th translation but never the Bible and if they did most would not understand it any way. Why do you think there are so many translations? Why do you think we have so many different denominations? But many folks seam to know Gods mind. Maybe I am too simple but I like that idea that every thing comes down to this, “Love the Lord with all your heart and love your neighbor as you love yourself" Let’s try that and see how it works out!

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Sweet son 07/03/13 - 12:22 pm
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Decided my thoughts should be my own! And yes, I do have an opinion!

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jmthompson 07/03/13 - 12:35 pm
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Bizkit

Bizkit

Please remember that Paul was using mostly Book of the 12 not the Old Testament as you know it and of course there was no Bible at that time but I am sure you knew that. And please make sure that you understand the historical perspective and who these things were written for and the circumstances they were written for. That will help to inform your comments and judgments.

V/R

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corgimom 07/03/13 - 12:38 pm
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Just wondering...how many

Just wondering...how many heterosexual Boy Scouts have been kicked out of Scouts because they were having sex with their girlfriend? That's a sin, too. Fornication.

But that's different, right?

Gay teenagers are just like every other teenager. Some of them are sexually active, some are not. To condemn CHILDREN- and we are talking children here- for ASSUMING, with no proof, that they will want to have sex with other teens is just absurd.

And, over the years, I've heard stories about Scouts being approached at Scout events by supposedly straight boys- but nobody wants to talk about that, because in some people's world, that just NEVER could happen, oh no!

Some people have very strange ideas about children and their sexuality. Makes you wonder how they think. These same gay boys are going to school and seeing their friends in the showers at school and they do just fine, but don't try to explain that to those people.

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General Disarray 07/03/13 - 12:47 pm
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How many divorcee's go to
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How many divorcee's go to this church?

How many people eat shellfish that go to this church?

How many of these church goers have ever lied?

Seriously if you're gonna start barring people because they sin then be fair and bar them all. Because we all sin in some way and no sin is greater or worse then the others.

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