U.S. Rep Paul Broun calls evolution lie 'from the pit of hell'

Saturday, Oct. 6, 2012 4:07 PM
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ATHENS, Ga. — U.S. Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are “lies straight from the pit of hell” meant to convince people that they do not need a savior.

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun  FILE/ASSOCIATED PRESS
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U.S. Rep. Paul Broun

The Georgia Republican lawmaker made those comments during a speech Sept. 27 at a sportsman’s banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell. Broun, a medical doctor who represents Georgia’s 10th Congressional District, is running for re-election in November unopposed by Democrats.

“God’s Word is true,” Broun said, according to a video posted on the church’s Web site. “I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

Broun also said that he believes the Earth is about 9,000 years old and that it was made in six days. Those beliefs are held by fundamentalist Christians who believe the creation accounts in the Bible are literally true.

Broun spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti told the Athens Banner-Herald that the congressman, whose district includes part of Columbia County, was recorded speaking off-the-record to a church group about his religious beliefs. He sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

It seems unlikely that Broun’s remarks were supposed to be private. The banquet was advertised; Broun spoke before an audience; and the video of his remarks was posted on the church’s Web site.

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Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 10/06/12 - 10:38 pm
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No macroevolution observed

    Scientists have OBSERVED countless examples of evolution (genetic mutation and natural selection to favor the successful mutations). And it's not just "simple" organisms like bacteria. See for example the Peppered Moth (observed in the wild) or any number of fruit fly lab experiments (AugustaProf).

Those breeding experiments were going on in the late 1960s, when I attended Augusta College. Did anyone ever succeed in turning the peppered moths and the fruit flies into anything else? When I was there, the fruit flies in the biology labs remained fruit flies. I'm unaware of any change other than variation within a species. It's what we should expect since God designed his creatures to bring forth according to their respective kinds.

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 10/06/12 - 10:41 pm
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Question

AugustaProf: I have a question for you. Is it not possible to have a mutation or a cross over mix like you might see in dogs or cats but to still have an intelligent design? I went to ASU back in 87 for both biology and anatomy. As a minister I was required to take those classes for my degree at CIU. I was glad that I did. The things I learned about the human body, cells, DNA were amazing. But these things did not make me turn from my faith but increased my faith. For me the make up of the DNA by itself is just too complex for it to just happen by chance. I believe science is good and should not be ignored but we all face the facts that there are some things we as mere human beings may not ever understand. I believe that when you factor in an infinite all powerful God into the equation then all things are possible. I appreciated your post.

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 10/06/12 - 10:43 pm
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Agree

Fundamental__Armenian. I agree that the variations take place within the species and don't just from ape to human.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/06/12 - 10:48 pm
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A Whole Lot Of Splainin'

Broun has been and still is an embarrassment to any thinking person in the state of Georgia. And to think that this dullard actually has a ranking position on the House Science committee headed by the one and only Mr. "Magical Uterus/Vagina" Todd Aiken.

This is what the Republican Party has degenerated to in their kowtowing to the Tea Party fanatics and the quest to keep Angry Old White Men in power. Wake up Republicans! You've let the lunatics have the steering wheel and they are your personal mill stone!

And, please to the literal word of God Bible believers. They be a whole lot of explainin' to do about that book. A whole lot!

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 10/06/12 - 10:51 pm
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In the beginning God created

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. He breathed into man and gave him life and then he made the woman to be a helper to the man. That is what the Bible says...what more do you need explained?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 10/06/12 - 10:59 pm
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'And, please to the literal

'And, please to the literal word of God Bible believers. They be a whole lot of explainin' to do about that book. A whole lot!"

Instead of worthless accusations, if you have something you don't understand about the Word of God, just ask. Just cause you don't understand it, doesn't mean it is inaccurrate.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/06/12 - 11:02 pm
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Let's Start At The Beginning Shall We

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

Got some consistency or inconsistency here?

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/06/12 - 11:05 pm
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Moving Right Along

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

Well, which one was it and Who's going to make the corection?

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/06/12 - 11:08 pm
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Why Pigeons Poop On Man-made Stautes

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

We're confused about the "pecking order" now are we?

Will in Wrens
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Will in Wrens 10/06/12 - 11:16 pm
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Miracles

Paul Broun is a living example of two miracles. One is that he got into medical school, and the other is that he graduated.

Conservative Man
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Conservative Man 10/06/12 - 11:20 pm
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One word...

....wow.....

AugustaProf
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AugustaProf 10/06/12 - 11:24 pm
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Macroevolution

Certainly we can evoke macroevolutionary mutations. But most believe such changes don't occur in the way in which you envision them. Apes don't beget human mutants. The statistical chance of a successful macromutation occurring is beyond astronomical. There are simply too many individual gene mutations involved. Evolution occurs very gradually. We did not evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved separately from a common primate ancestor. Our paths diverged many, many millions of years ago and the steps from common ancestor to modern ape & human were VERY gradual. Likewise, all mammals evolved from a common mammalian ancestor millions of years before that. Sometimes evolution results in a split (usually if the mutation results in complementary "specializations"). Sometimes the mutation completely usurps the ancestor (perhaps due to outcompeting them or outsurviving them during changes to the environment).

I believe evolution to be a sufficient (and plausible and likely) explanation for the complex and beautiful design of life. However, I'm not in the business of trying to argue people away from their personal beliefs. Those who believe in intelligent design are themselves intelligent and have constructed explanations for all scientific and common observations that are consistent with their beliefs.

Will in Wrens
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Will in Wrens 10/06/12 - 11:37 pm
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Expert witness

I forgot to mention in my earlier post, but I think Dr. Broun would have been an excellent prosecution expert witness in the Scopes monkey trial back in the 1920s. He seems to know a lot about monkeys.

Will in Wrens
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Will in Wrens 10/06/12 - 11:52 pm
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Evolved

Another thought:
It looks like Dr. Broun "evolved" from a scientist into a politician.

createyourfuture
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createyourfuture 10/07/12 - 12:10 am
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Right Wing Nut Job

Dr. Broun exemplifies why the GOP will cease to exist very soon. First, what credibility he had is now even more diminished. People do not want someone so narrow-minded to represent them in Congress. There will never be enough right wing Tea Party Nut Jobs to have a majority. It is only a matter of time before they take their toys and go to their own sand box, leaving the mainstream of the Party of Lincoln, from where leaders like Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, and Teddy Roosevelt came. Then there are the Ron/Rand Paul Libertarians, who have their own Party, but choose to be Republicans. There is not enough of them to have a majority either.

So the result is that their are 3-4 parties, none of whom have a majority. The Democrats will solidify around their liberal socialist ideas, and leave little room for anyone else. The GOP will go the way of the Whigs, a Party who cannot stay together because of factions like this.

When Southern "yellow dog Democrats" learned that they were closet Republicans, this gave the GOP the ability to take over the Congress for the first time in decades, during which time, the GOP gave the country a surplus and made us prosper. Now these nut jobs are splintering the Party of Lincoln that its very existence is threatened. Our President has violated the law with his executive orders and gave us a deficit from which it will be impossible to recover. The GOP is in a position to assume control and try to turn this sinking ship. The problem is that these right wing nut jobs do not give the GOP credibility and once you lose credibility, your ability to lead is finished.

Just ask Dr. Azziz.

burninater
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burninater 10/07/12 - 12:43 am
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Evolution is crap, just like

Evolution is crap, just like global warming. Global warming is just another theory designed to reduce peoples faith in God. How can you believe in God and believe the earth shall be destroyed by mans hands? YOU CAN'T!! It subconsciously reduces peoples faith.
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By that logic myfather, the theory that Jesus needed to die for our sins must also be "just crap". How can you believe in God and believe the state of an eternal soul shall be determined by mans' choices? "YOU CAN'T!! It subconsciously reduces peoples faith."

The theories of evolution and global warming were derived from looking directly at God's work. Creationism and denial of climate change were derived from authoritarian declarations of humans. I'm sorry, but if you deny the works of God in favor of the words of man, you are not a godly person. It's just that simple.

myfather15
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myfather15 10/07/12 - 04:32 am
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This is what I believe;

I believe God created the earth millions (if not billions) of years ago. I believe he created all creatures and beings (including us) during this time. This was also the time of the dinosaurs. Read Ecclesiastes Chap 1 (Original King James Version), with special attention to verses 9, 10 and 11. I believe he created the earth and animals, but also wanted an intelligent type of being that he could have a conversation with. One with a free thinking mind (not robots) just as HE has. I believe He created us JUST LIKE Him, with limitations on power. He created us with free will then; we have it now and shall have it in the eternity. He does NOT manipulate everything we do in our lives. I believe even at that time, He created rules and regulations for us to abide by. I believe, just as people are now, they didn’t always like the rules and regulations. I believe He had a government of persons he had created and trusted. I believe God established laws of nature that were to be followed. I believe he established a system of allowing people to work and make their own lives and provide for their selves. I KNOW this system was fair and rewarded people fairly for their works. But just as people are now, there were lazy people then, those who didn’t want to work. They wanted everything provided to them by God and His system. I believe one of those whom he had given great power and authority, rebelled against His rules and regulations. This person (Lucifer) convinced millions of God’s children that his way is better than God’s. He convinced them that he would provide them fulfilling lives, with much less effort on their parts.

I believe Lucifer deceived the people into believing He could overtake God and His system, because God had made him very powerful. God said He made Lucifer in the full pattern of Himself. He was the highest cherubim. 1/3 of the people God created followed Lucifer and sided with him, over God. 1/3 was adamant supporters of God and stuck by His side. This is God’s chosen people (Israel) in current times. Some of these are also the ones referred to in the Bible as the elect or saints, ones that were chosen before the foundations of this world. They were “Predestined” to do God’s work during this current dispensation of time. Chosen not at their birth in the flesh age, but chosen for what they did in the first dispensation of time. Chosen because they stood with God then and God knows they will stand with Him now. It’s just plain common sense. If you are going into a battle, would you choose someone that you don’t know at all, someone you know is a coward, or would you choose a warrior who you’ve been to battle with before and you know they are brave and will fight fiercely? Then the last 3rd were people that were neither hot nor cold. They didn’t choose sides and remained neutral. It is exactly the same today in our system. Some people support the democrats, some republicans and some independents. Those are the main parties in our system today but there are mainly two major political parties. There were revolutions during this time such as we see today, with people taking to the streets in protest of God’s rule.

During this rebellion by Lucifer and his followers, God had to make a very tough decision (even for Him). He had to stop this rebellion and punish those who will not obey His rules and regulations. He had to destroy Lucifer (who is the only entity who has already been sentence to die) and this rebellion. But in all fairness, He would also have to destroy ALL those who followed Lucifer and worked for Lucifer, against God. How would you like to destroy your own children? This was not an easy decision for God. He doesn't want a single one of His children to perish. So he decided instead to destroy that entire dispensation of time. This involved floods, earthquakes and other natural disasters like we have never seen. These earthquakes moved continents. He then created a new dispensation of time (Flesh age). He created this period of time in which we would be born as babes, with no knowledge of the former things. Born as babes, to grow and mature on our own and to make a decision on how we would live our lives. Completely separate from God’s physical presence or Lucifer's, thereby we would make a free will choice. This is why we are here. To make a choice completely on our own to either follow God’s way or go the wrong path. He wants us to make this choice, without influence from either side. Therefore He can hold that individual completely responsible for their actions.

Now, there is much more to this but I’m going to stop there. I know many will disagree with me which is perfectly fine. My only hope is by writing this, it gets people to thinking. Maybe thinking that there is more to God’s word than they have ever heard or been taught. Maybe this will cause them to do some serious research on their own. If not, I can’t help that part.

I’ve said in here many times that I “believe” it occurred this way. The Truth is I KNOW it happened this way. How I know this will stay between me and God. The same as it should be with your relationship with Him. It should be personal and MAN shouldn’t get between you and God.

I know this is extremely long and most will not read it, but I felt compelled to post it, so be it.

Tullie
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Tullie 10/07/12 - 08:46 am
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Y'all are behind the times

What the theorists are saying now is that we were created by ancient aliens.

Yep, that's right aliens came to earth and made man. And, they didn't stop there..they apparently fiddled around with DNA as well..that is why we had the likes of Goliath (giants) and other so-called demi-gods.

That is supposed to explain why all over you have carvings and paintings back then of alien-like creatures and these weird places on earth like Stone Henge and others that you can really only appreciate from the sky.

So, now you know.

It apparently is easier to believe in aliens instead of God..go figure.

Techfan
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Techfan 10/07/12 - 05:24 am
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So an omnipotent being that

So an omnipotent being that created everything out of nothing couldn't communicate with the animals he created so he needed man? Why couldn't he just talk with a dog? If the dog wasn't smart enough, why not just make him smarter? We're dealing with a myth man created to try to understand the world around him. The book was written by men and then heavily edited by men. The sun didn't stop in the sky (they didn't even know the earth revolved arond the sun). If it did, we wouldn't be here to evenn discuss it. Also, liberals don't put down Christianity any more or less than other religions. We just want them left in the realm of church, not politics. If you want to believe men went around riding dinosaurs but then there wasn't room in a big boat for them, great. Some people believe in flying saucers. Don't make either policy and don't teach either as science in textbooks.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 10/07/12 - 07:57 am
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Response for Retired

Response for Retired Army

Let's Start At The Beginning Shall We

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

In verses 3-5 of Genesis 1, this is a recording of the creation of light our of darkness. God calls the light, day, and the dark, night but this is not the creation of the sun, moon, and stars (the light we have for earth). This is a separation of heaven and earth, it is the creation of the universe. In Genesis 4-19, this is the recording of God creating the Sun, Moon, and Stars to create our seasons, days, years.

You asked "Got some consistency or inconsistency here?" Answer is Not at All.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 10/07/12 - 08:10 am
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Second question by Retired

Second question by Retired Army

"GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created."

Genesis 1 covers the six days of creation, God's pronouncement that it was good at completion. Genesis 2, from verse 4 onward, is a more detail description of the events of Day 6 and these accounts are not contradictory.

As has been stated numerous time and also what Jesus told the religious rulers "Jesus replied, "Your mistake is that you don't know the Scriptures, and you don't know the power of God." You can not know and understand the scriptures unless you have the Holy Spirit living inside you and that only comes with knowing Jesus personally.

You asked ""Well, which one was it and Who's going to make the corection?"

There is no correction needed......there is no contradiction.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 10/07/12 - 08:16 am
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Third Response for Retired

Third Response for Retired Army

You stated: GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

As stated before, Genesis 1 is a simple summary of God calling the universe into existance and his arrangements for the universe and the earth for habitation. Genesis 2 gives us the details missing from Genesis 1.

You aksed "We're confused about the "pecking order" now are we?"

My question is "Who's the one confused?" Don't think it's the birds.

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 10/07/12 - 08:28 am
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What a pandering politician.

What a pandering politician. He knows that stuff he says isn't the truth and he knows that the earth is older than 9000 years.

If we elect Anderson this area will be noted as having the dumbest electorate in America represented by appropriate people.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 10/07/12 - 08:38 am
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what he said!!

"dichotomy 10/06/12 - 08:05 pm 81
I AM a conservative but I am
I AM a conservative but I am a FISCAL conservative. People like Broun scare me as much as any liberal or religious fanatic of any persuasion.

Anyone who would say the earth is only 9000 years old has no business making decisions about funding education because he is as much a zealot as the ayotolah.

swcohen
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swcohen 10/07/12 - 01:08 pm
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Fairy Tales

This is THE reason I could never vote Republican.

Conservative fiscal policy? Okay with me. Smaller, more tightly controlled federal government? Yup, I agree. Strong and well equipped armed forces? By all means. Unwavering trust in irrationality and superstition, with attendant offhand dismissal of five centuries of scientific knowledge? Uh, no. That's a deal breaker for me.

Guess I'll have to give my vote to big-government, big-spending, weak willed, foreign-apologists who at least consistently manage to not embarrass us among the world's scientific community.

That said, if Mitt Romney does as he says, and eliminates taxes on interest and dividends for those of us earming under $200K, then I might... uh... no. Sorry. I just can't.

burninater
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burninater 10/07/12 - 02:36 pm
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Tullie, the scientific theory

Tullie, the scientific theory of evolution says nothing about aliens. Nothing. The hypothesis of alien origins of life on earth is not a scientific hypothesis, and is entirely unrelated to the theory of evolution.

Clearly for some there is a complete lack of understanding of both the theory of evolution, and more broadly, the scientific method. How is it that people feel comfortable saying something is not true when they don't even know what it is?

And how can people use the authority of the Bible to deny evolution? If the Bible is the literal word of God, please point out to me where in the Bible God says evolution is not true. I know that there have been men who said it wasn't true, but I'd be curious when God said that. I'd hate to think that peope are so blinded by authoritarian voices that they put human arrogance before God's Word.

myfather15
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myfather15 10/07/12 - 04:25 pm
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@Burninator

You and those supportors of evolution are doing the same thing you accuse conservatives of doing. You pick and choose which scientist you want to believe. Have you done all this "research" personally? No, you've probably just read and studied other scientists research and taken their word for it. But you pick and choose which scientists you believe. I've said before and will say again, there are just as many (if not more) scientists that say evolution is a myth or theory, as say it is factual. There are also just as many scientists saying global warming is myth, as say it's factual.

I have read articles from scientists claiming there isn't a single shred of fossil evidence to support evolution. They also stated one of the most important aspects of evolution is missing. If evolution were factual, no matter how slow we evolve, we would still have to have, present to this day, species in existence in every phase of the evolution process. You don't go from having and evolution process, to not having one. I know people say its happens so slow it's not visible but that is junk. We would have to still have the neanderthal, the human being and every phase in between, in existence today, but we don't. There is no such thing a big foot!! But you can believe in them and aliens for all I care. We shall see the truth very soon. You act like we are crazy for beleiving in a intelligent being that created ALL life. Yet, you believe a monkey evolved into an intelligent being, capable of creating automobiles, computers, nuclear energy, aircraft, satelites, traveling to the moon. WOW, thats a bit of a stretch, but ok.

palmetto1008
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palmetto1008 10/07/12 - 04:22 pm
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And folks around here really
Unpublished

And folks around here really don't want to spend more on education. Isn't it something??

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/07/12 - 07:09 pm
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burninater
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burninater 10/07/12 - 07:13 pm
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myfather, I never accused

myfather, I never accused anyone of picking and choosing, and I never accused anyone of being crazy for believing in a Creator. I made a very simple request: show me where GOD, not MAN, declared evolution false. It is not belief in a Creator that I question. It is choosing to consider the declarations of Man to be more truthful than the evidence of God's Creation.

I would fully agree that hominids (not monkeys, at least get the facts straight if you are going to argue the truth of something) evolving into the technological ability of humans would seem crazy if the evidence weren't there. But faced with that evidence, the choice between the evidence of the Creation vs the declarations of men really isn't much of a choice.

As far as the fossil record showing no evidence of evolution? Simply not true. The fossil record IS evidence of evolution -- stable species forms changing over time in response to changing environments. Ancestral forms are unlikely to coexist with daughter forms for long periods of time, as the pressures that encourage evolution are the same pressures that make the ancestral form less succesful, and eventually extinct. And, just for the record, there is neither bigfoot nor aliens in evolutionary theory.

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