Ex-soldier convicted of having child porn

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A retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel was convicted in federal court  Thursday on child pornography charges.

Reginald Lonnel Cray, 48, of Martinez,  faces between five and 20 years' imprisonment for receipt of child pornography and  as much as 10 years in prison for possession of it.

Prosecutors said Cray accessed photos and videos of abused children from an international Web site for three weeks during spring 2008.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/18/10 - 06:42 am
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This idiot gives a bad name

This idiot gives a bad name to the Army almost as much as Major Hassan, the Muslim terrorist. The good news is that if he goes to prison for over a year his retirement payments are forfeited. Please sentence him to at least a year and a day.

corgimom
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corgimom 09/18/10 - 07:00 am
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What a sick so-called "human

What a sick so-called "human being".

From the Internet-I do not know if this is true or not-

"Lieutenant, Colonel (LTC) Reginald Cray was called back up after retirement. Reginald retired from the Army after 20 years of service on May 1, 2006. Many family members attended the retirement ceremony at Ft. Gordon. After retirement, Reginald was hired on June 1, 2007 as the Senior Army Instructor (SAI) for the JROTC Department at the Academy of Richmond County. He’s the first black SAI in its 200 year history. After running the JROTC department for only seven months, Reginald was called back to Active Duty to support Operation Enduring Freedom and the Global War on Terror. He reported to Ft. Jackson on 1/7/07 for refresher training and is currently assigned to Ft. Gordon as the Chief of Land WarNet-e University, which is the Army's portal that consists of 22 unit universities (including Marines) located throughout the world that provides 24/7 training to soldiers at Ft. Gordon and worldwide....

AC, can you verify this???? He was an JROTC instructor at ARC???

iam4him
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iam4him 09/18/10 - 07:05 am
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Gotta feel bad for his family

Gotta feel bad for his family

Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/18/10 - 07:30 am
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Corgimom, good find.

Corgimom, good find. Apparently, he is also not on active duty with the Army now. But whether he once was with the Richmond County BOE doesn't bother me. It's had to find nuts like this before they out themselves. My consolations to the Army, the Richmond County BOE and his family.

fd1962
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fd1962 09/18/10 - 07:59 am
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I imagine that the biggest
Unpublished

I imagine that the biggest pervs of all are some of the FBI and other law enforcement employees who concentrate on the so-called monitoring and enforcing of these 'international' web sites.

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 08:13 am
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Not enough info in the

Not enough info in the article.

Did he do this for three weeks, 24 hours a day, without a break? Or did this happen two or three times over the course of three weeks? Was the charge of possession because he had deliberately saved the pictures to his computer's hard drive, or was it because they found the copies that your browser archives after you visit a page on the Internet?

Could it have been that he accidentally visited a page because another website referred him to it (pop up)? Or did someone else use his computer and visit the website(s)? If his computer was infected with a virus, did he even visit the websites at all, or did the virus take over his computer and do things that were out of his control?

The article just does not give the public enough information to determine if the guy is really guilty of a crime or not.

But they sure got everyone's attention.

If he's guilty, then he has to face the music for what he's done. But what if they're wrong? What if the guy is innocent? His life is now effectively ruined forever.

fd1962
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fd1962 09/18/10 - 08:31 am
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All good questions,
Unpublished

All good questions, Casting_Fool, but it's only a public trial... Effectively ruining lives, innocent or guilty, is the key step in career enhancement after all. In 'conspiracy' charges, for example, no evidence is even required. In fact, evidence only interferes with law enforcement's conclusions. It's the American Way.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 09/18/10 - 09:12 am
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"Prosecutors said Cray

"Prosecutors said Cray accessed photos and videos of abused children from an international Web site for three weeks during spring 2008."

Surely, conviction requires more than looking; why was he looking; what did he do with what he saw?

This report kind of takes your breath away either way; depends on how one reads it. Not enough information for passing judgment.

No_Longer_Amazed
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No_Longer_Amazed 09/18/10 - 09:21 am
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Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 10:54 am
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I haven't had a really

I haven't had a really comfortable view of local law enforcement since I was involved in a local homeland security issue.

Several years ago, I inadvertently found plans to the new Augusta water treatment plant in an abandoned RV. I took them to the plant and turned them in, figuring that it was not a good thing to leave those plans just laying about for someone to find them.

Minor security risk? Don't know, but I felt that I was doing the right thing.

A little while later, I got a call from the Richmond County Sheriff Department's Homeland Security Liaison Office asking if I could answer a few questions about finding the plans. I said that I would be happy to help out, but that I was at work and that it would be more convenient for me if I could meet with them after work.

The guy I was speaking to said "Yes.", we ended the conversation, and I got back to work.

A short time later, I got another call from that office and the actual Liaison (can't remember his name) threatened me with arrest if I didn't cooperate and tell him where I was so they could come and talk with me. One of those "We know where you live." kind of threats delivered in a stereotyped "government authority from hell" sort of tone and attitude.

Frankly, I was livid. Here I was trying to do the right thing, and this guy threatens to arrest ME? I told him off, but I cooperated. After all, I really didn't want to be arrested under Homeland Security regulations and run the risk that I would disappear without a trace, or have the rest of my life ruined by these guys.

I am no longer comfortable with the idea of helping these guys out. It isn't worth the risk that they'll come after me instead of the bad guys.

If I see something that I can absolutely without a doubt recognize as a terrorist threat, I'll report it. But the next set of plans I accidentally stumble across can stay just where they are. Some other person can report them to Mr. "Authority-has-gone-to-my-head (which is currently up my backside)" down at the Sheriff's Department.

If the Chronicle doesn't give enough info in an article, don't place your trust in what they say. It isn't worth helping to ruin a life or lives with a few unwise words.

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 10:40 am
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Here's betting that "Mr.

Here's betting that "Mr. 'Authority-has-gone-to-my-head'" is going to read that comment and find some trumped up charge to arrest me on.

More about "Citizen arrested on charge of dissing HS Officer" in tomorrow's Chronicle...

fd1962
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fd1962 09/18/10 - 11:11 am
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Casting_Fool, I'm confident
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Casting_Fool, I'm confident that you have nothing about which to worry. Those fools only target victims they suspect (hope) are not knowledgeable enough to know their rights. Now that you've demonstrated you are no push-over, and will not hesitate to defend yourself against nonsense, they'll move on to easier pickings.

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 11:19 am
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I know, but it's the

I know, but it's the opportunity that these folk have to really mess with people's lives that bothers me. Our safety depends on a few guys and gals keeping their heads and concentrating on the issues at hand.

All it could take is one of them getting steamed at an innocent citizen, and using the resources of the local and Federal governments to ruin their lives.

The movies make fun of (or exploit) this many times. I watched "The Bourne Ultimatum" (3rd movie) last night. With those kind of resources, someone could mess with your life and you would never know why or how it happened.

Heck, hackers can do it. What's to keep a disgruntled government employee from doing it? With Homeland Security, all they would have to do is state that there's a matter of national security, and you're toast.

I've always hesitated to say anything on the record because of the possibility that someone could turn it against me.

I just want that guy to treat innocent citizens with respect and honor.

... and yes, I was ticked that he treated me so badly.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/18/10 - 11:25 am
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Casting_Fool, enlightening

Casting_Fool, enlightening story. The vast majority of law enforcement (and the military) are upstanding people who will lay their lives on the line for the public, but every now and then an idiot surfaces.

yawningloudly
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yawningloudly 09/18/10 - 11:30 am
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well child porn was found at

well child porn was found at the pentagon anyone been arrested there

fd1962
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fd1962 09/18/10 - 11:43 am
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Riverman, there are a lot
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Riverman, there are a lot more of these high-school-educated tax-payers' burdens operating out there than you would suspect, and they NEVER function without a back-up stooge as a convenient 'witness.' (they introduce them as a 'trainee'). You anticipate their arrival, tell them NOT to come without a warrant for your arrest and booking, or else inform them to meet you at your attorney's office at a specific time and place. You'll discover that they do not like to make public fools of themselves, and will skip the CSI nonsense.

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 11:50 am
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Yes, but from what I've read,

Yes, but from what I've read, it involves a lot of very high level security issues and they can't release much info in it.

You would think that everyone knows by now that there is no way for the average Internet user to cover their usage tracks. To start, your ISP (service provider) knows everything about where you go and what you do online.

Using a browser with a private surfing mode only keeps most of the offending files off of your computer. It doesn't stop your ISP from seeing what you're downloading or visiting.

And if what I've read about the federal efforts to trace users is true, there aren't many folk out there who can outwit them.

The simple answer is "behave like a civilized person" and stay out of the "dirt" on the 'Net.

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 11:56 am
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The associate that

The associate that accompanied the HS Liaison was introduced as his assistant, and was the person that I first talked to on the phone. The one who nicely agreed to meet with me after work.

I hadn't thought about the "witness" aspect. Thanks, "fd1962".

fd1962
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fd1962 09/18/10 - 01:46 pm
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Never fail to break out your
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Never fail to break out your own tape recorder either, Casting_Fool. That really drives them up the wall. Carry one in your car. And you can refuse to discuss anything more than your identification in the presence of the stooge - I mean 'assistant.' Why take a chance? NOTHING you say will EVER be interpreted to your advantage. Say nothing. Use (any) attorney. Protect yourself. It won't require a Perry Mason. These are mean times.

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freeradical 09/18/10 - 05:51 pm
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If so much detail about

If so much detail about internet transmissions is known, what the hell

is an "international" website?

Why are we not told the name of this country of creeps whose government

and law enforcement at its highest levels has absolutely no problem with

letting child porn be transmitted?

Better yet why is the "international" name, city, street, addresss,

information of the scum transmitting these images from the pit of hell

put into public print for the whole "international" world to know exactly

who they are, and what they are doing?

fd1962
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fd1962 09/18/10 - 06:35 pm
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Freeradical, it's really not
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Freeradical, it's really not in the interest of the bureaucracies involved to actually solve any of these issues: job security, enhancement of careers, agency budgets, and civilian control are the focuses. The objective here is always to attack an ever increasing so-called 'calamity.' Like the War on Drugs, the next bust is guaranteed to be the 'biggest ever.' Haven't you watched the 'value' of a pound of reefer increase from $150 to $15,000 according to the DEA in the last thirty years? Now there's success you can be proud of...

freeradical
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freeradical 09/18/10 - 09:55 pm
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fd1962, With the drug issue

fd1962,

With the drug issue the public has been given a wealth of info we have

been kept in the dark concerning the transmissions of child porn

websites.

Info concerning the "international" locations from which drugs come,

heroin-Afganistan, cocaine-Columbia, etc,etc,etc,,,,as well as the specific

names of numerous druglords,and the cartels they control.

Just a couple of weeks ago a name and a picture and a city were

given concerning the mexican druglord they believe responsible for

the killing of dozens of people.

Info provided without benefit of any of the percise electronic

pinpointing capability ready made by "international" internet

transmissions up and running 24 hours

a day.

And this criminal activity is more heinous than selling drugs.

Innocent children having their lives taken away.

Yes, you can say the that drug importation continues as usual, but

the wealth of info the public has been given concerning the countries

of origins, as well as the names of the major players involved make

me ask all the more, why the public has been given nothing but zilch

concerning the locations and names behind the child porn criminal

empire?

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/18/10 - 11:22 pm
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"freeradical", read up on the

"freeradical", read up on the issue and you will see why it is so difficult to run these folk down. A pornographer can be using a long series of servers to disseminate this stuff across the Internet. This series can run through various countries long before it makes it to someone's personal computer.

In some cases, this is impossible to track beyond a specific server. Add in the millions of compromised personal computers across the world, due to various infections picked up from across the 'Net, and you have a real nightmare of a time trying to run these folk down.

Some of it can be traced to countries formed by the break up of the former Soviet Union, run by criminal organizations. As long as it makes money, though, it's going to stay around.

Also add in the basic human nature of the male, and you have thousands of men and boys world-wide visiting sites that promote sex. Sooner than later, they're going to run across a site that portrays children having sex, or even just a site that shows what appear to be teenage girls in sexually compromising situations.

You don't even have to be looking for this crap to run across it while looking for something else that's completely unrelated to sex at all.

A boy tries a search for the words "toy, boy, and fun". Any guess where that will lead to? I recently did a search for "tea +brick" (the "+" sign narrows the search down) and among the images I was looking for, there were at least two sexually explicit images. Nothing at all to do with tea!

It takes a unique sort of man to actively avoid websites, or even movies or television programming, that promote sex. Even the news media uses sex to sell the news. They lower the tables on the sets, or make them transparent, so that you can see the news caster's lower extremities, then appear to encourage some of their female employees to wear skirts that ride up and show more than they might intend to show.

It won't change until people change.

Maybe it needs to start with women realizing that men don't think like they do. Men are visually stimulated. You need to control the images if you're going to control how men view them, or you can control the men by encouraging them to view sexually explicit images.

Can't have it both ways. IMO, it's either walk the line, or watch our society degrade into the same mess that every other civilization in the world has until it self-destructs.

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gijoe7898 09/19/10 - 12:24 am
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"I imagine that the biggest

"I imagine that the biggest pervs of all are some of the FBI and other law enforcement employees who concentrate on the so-called monitoring and enforcing of these 'international' web sites."

fd1962, after reading this and your other posts, I believe you listen to Coast to Coast AM too much.

freeradical
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freeradical 09/19/10 - 09:43 am
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Casting Fool, If it were as

Casting Fool,

If it were as simple as as using a "long series of servers" than all

other "international"criminal,terrorist, orginized crime , activities would

be conducted on the same basis.

And just like the child porn industry we would have never heard of even

one "international" location or arrest.

EVER.

I don't buy it.

Just from news reports we know (and more importantly the criminals &

terrorists know) that their communications are monitered for months at

a time before any actual arrests take place.

And yet the "international" criminal, terrorist arrests continue to take

place with regularity.

As well as the publication of known geographic locales of origin involved.

You seem to be implying that the child porn kingpins are smarter than

any other "international" criminals /terrorists ?

Again, I don't buy it.

If one criminal activity could go completely undetected and relax
behind a cloak of complete electronic secrecy,only a fool

would believe they would not all be hiding their illicit activities in the exact

same manner.

Every avenue available is available to one and all .

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/19/10 - 01:50 pm
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"freeradical"... I don't know

"freeradical"...

I don't know what to say, other than "duh".

If you are not willing to do some research before you comment on a particular subject, please consider not commenting.

Try "computer crime" and "organized crime" for search terms as a starter. Then visit some of the tech websites like CNet and do some reading on what the computer crime situation really is. Just because you do not personally "buy it", does not make you an expert on computer crime.

I'll continue to depend on my own caution and proactive approach to computer use, as well as my network's defenses, firewall, spyware and anti-virus programs to protect my own computer.

If you have the technical expertise, "... Every avenue available is available to one and all..." is absolutely true.

When a criminal is marketing something tangible like drugs, stolen goods, weapons, or even prostitutes, there is a physical location involved. There has to be because they're working with tangible things that require physical space and storage. The authorities can eventually track the locations down.

Computer crime only needs a computer to do it. Computers are easily transportable, take up little space, and can be "stolen" from their owner without actually removing the computer from the owner's possession.

Read about it! There is a wealth of information out there that explains how it is in the real world and about how difficult it is to run these cybercriminals down.

We only hear about the people who get caught downloading this crap from the Internet because their computers are easily found by law enforcement. Most likely, the computer is in a home or with the user during their usual daily routine, and can be easily tracked by the authorities.

"Stupid is as stupid does." If you dumb enough to download child porn on your home or work computer, then you deserve to get caught and arrested.

The criminals who provide this stuff are not so easily caught. These are professional criminals who are well practiced at concealing their whereabouts from the authorities. Much easier done when all you need to hide is server access.

But even in spite of this, we read about twice a year about child porn rings being busted up in various places all over the world. Not all of the criminals are good enough to evade the law.

freeradical
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freeradical 09/19/10 - 03:38 pm
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Casting fool, These cretins

Casting fool,

These cretins are all about the "tangible" as well.

The tangible exchange of money, which also requires a "physical"

location.

I personally know and have talked with military persons working in the

communications detection, tracking, identifiying business at a well known

worldwide military communication installation in this very area.

Believe me child porn computer criminals have nothing on them,and their

abilities to track & identify them and anyone else who communicates

electronically.

You will notice my original question had nothing to do with the ability to

identify these cretin's location.

That was a given, for the purposes of my question.

Your belief that these cretins have completely "concealed"

their "whereabouts" is not shared by me, and the fact that the

authorities feel compelled to claim knowledge of an "international"

location by definition means they have not "concealed"

their "whereabouts".

For anyone who has even a rudimentary idea of exactly what the

government agencies are capable of at the massive dectection facilities

like the one in our area the idea of "concealing" "whereabouts" is

laughable.

My question concerned the lack of will to disclose what they have

detected and discovered.

You need not "research" any further than a dictionary to establish

that if you are able to claim the source to be "international" by definition

you have confirmed at least two specific nations as being the

source.

Why are these identified nations not being called out for allowing

the "tangible" and detectable vile criminal filth to take place on

their turf is my question?

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/19/10 - 06:35 pm
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Hmm... this is my last reply

Hmm... this is my last reply on this topic, since it appears that we're getting nowhere rather rapidly.

"The tangible exchange of money, which also requires a 'physical' location."

No, it doesn't, necessarily. Electronic financial transactions take place all of the time that do not require actual physical money, just numbers and electrons.

"I personally know and have talked with..." But by your own admission, you're not one of those persons. You don't have first-hand knowledge of what you're referring to. Just what a court would label hearsay evidence.

That would be in and of itself a breach of national security, as well as a threat to their jobs and personal freedom. If your friends are talking to you about their jobs, and it gets around to the folk at Fort Gordon, you and they are in big trouble.

I have had friends out at Fort Gordon working with communications security, some of them working with the NSA unit, and they have never shared anything with me about their work activities. Nada, zip.

When asked about current events and their jobs, they would smile and give us the ol' "I'd have to kill you if I told you." line, but they weren't really kidding. I admire their dedication and honorable service.

"Your belief that these cretins have completely 'concealed' their 'whereabouts...'" Don't believe that I ever wrote or intimated that statement, but I do not believe that they (the criminal masterminds behind the porn) are "invisible", only cunning.

They've been at this for centuries, they ought to be getting rather good at it by now.

"For anyone who has even a rudimentary idea of exactly what the government agencies are capable of at the massive dectection [sic] facilities like the one in our area..."

I served in our armed forces, and had dealt a bit with communications as part of my MOS. I have a pretty good idea of what we're capable of at Fort Gordon. BTW, why do you appear to hesitate to name the Fort? What else could "... the massive dectection [sic] facilities like the one in our area..." be?

I also follow some of tech info on the 'Net and have found it to be of use in understanding computers and the network that covers our globe.

Sometimes you cannot follow a lead to the source. There are many contributing factors that can prevent you from going beyond a certain point. As long as humans are involved in the process, you will find problems that interfere with investigations.

"Why are these identified nations not being called out for allowing the 'tangible' and detectable vile criminal filth to take place on their turf is my question?"

Frankly, it's none of our business. It's their country. Our law enforcement tells them what we've discovered, and it's up to their law enforcement to deal with it.

Some nations work with us, and others do not. If an electronic attack came from Iran, is there any question that they would most definitely not work with us on discovering the perpetrator?

A lot of the Baltic (I hope that that is right) nations are in turmoil dealing with the breakup of the Soviet Union. They may not have the resources to deal with computer crime at this time. But guess where a large number of computer viruses come from?

You stated "... child porn computer criminals...", but the problem is that these are not specifically child porn producers. There are professional criminals behind the producers. Mafia-type, or whatever the Russian version of that is called. These are dangerous people who have had centuries to perfect their criminal enterprises. Porn is only one of their many money makers.

They have all of the vast resources and knowledge that they've gathered over the ages to apply to whatever their current activities are.

These things are proven fact, just research it a bit on the Internet or at your public library if you prefer.

It's disappointing to "meet" someone who is so narrowly opinionated, appearing to base their perceptions of an issue on what is essentially hearsay, yet apparently unable to admit that it would be a good idea to investigate the facts once in a while.

Professional criminals may be the "bad guys", but they're also d_mned good at what they do. If they weren't, there wouldn't be any of them around.

We just hope that our guys are better than theirs are.

Casting_Fool
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Casting_Fool 09/19/10 - 06:16 pm
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Yes, I used at least five or

Yes, I used at least five or so words or phrases in that last comment that are probably on the watch list. So if they read my comments, they'll probably read everyone else's, too.

Oops... :O)

freeradical
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freeradical 09/19/10 - 07:28 pm
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Casting Fool, It is

Casting Fool,

It is apparently a surprise to you but electronic transfers of money are

actually a more "tangible", verifiable transaction than cash.

That you think electronic transfers of money do not leave a clear and

"tangible" trail shows you to be quite slow on the uptake where the

law enforcement capabilties are concerned.

It does however help to explain your confusion where the other law

enforcement capabilities are concerned.

It is not "hearsay" that by definition at least two "international" nations

have been identified as being involved.

Write that down.

I don't care what their governments will or won't do.

The fact that they have done nothing already speaks to their duplicity.

All I care about is the light of day being shined on such vile cretins, and

the governments that would provide a home for such vile scum.

It is disappointing as well to "meet" a person whose opinions are based in

such a moral vacum that they consider the international transmission of

child porn to be:

"none of our business"
(casting fool)

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