Local experts express opinions on electronic cigarettes

Monday, May 5, 2014 4:05 PM
Last updated Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:36 PM
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With electronic cigarettes becoming increasingly accessible, cities around the United States are taking notice – and changing laws.

On April 29, New York City, Chicago and San Francisco implemented regulations that prohibit the use of e-cigarettes in smoke-free environments. The BreathEasy Augusta Coalition says the dangers of electronic cigarettes are also a local concern.

“We do not know that e-cigarettes are safe and need to restrict them until further research is conducted,” said Jennifer Anderson, the chairwoman of BreathEasy Augusta. “Since e-cigarettes are not regulated by the Federal Trade commissioner, there is no scientific data to support the safety of e-cigarettes for the user and for others in close proximity who inhale the emitted e-cigarette vapors.”

Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and San Francisco amended existing smoke-free laws to include electronic smoking devices. Roughly 17 million residents who live in those cities will be affected by the new protections, according to The Associated Press.

Since Aug. 1, Georgia Regents University has implemented a tobacco-free campus policy that includes prohibiting e-cigarettes.

“Some of the same toxins that are found in cigarettes are also found in electronic cigarettes,” said Christine O’Meara, GRU’s director of cancer information and awareness. “E-cigarettes are nicotine delivery devices, as are regular cigarettes, and nicotine is an addictive drug. The cancer center does not support the use of e-cigarettes. Our top priority at GRU is to provide a safe and healthy environment for our students and teachers.”

Even though electronic cigarettes don’t burn tobacco or produce ashes, BreathEasy Augusta said there are other potentially dangerous consequences.

“E-cigarettes are battery-operated,” Anderson said. “However, the nicotine is heated along with propylene glycol – a chemical that’s used industrially as antifreeze, solvent stabilizer and as a preservative in liquid livestock feeds. E-cigarettes deliver an array of other chemicals, including diethylene glycol – a highly toxic substance – and various nitrosamines, which are powerful carcinogens found in tobacco. The vapor that is expelled also includes levels of nicotine and nitrosamines, among other chemicals.”

Another concern for O’Meara is the way ads depict e-cigarettes as safe and the long-term consequences on teens and children.

“E-cig promotions claiming that the vapor only includes pure nicotine and that e-cig vapor is harmless water vapor are incorrect,” she said. “The aerosol emitted from electronic cigarettes is not purely water vapor but contains nicotine, ultrafine particles and low levels of toxins that are known to cause cancer.

“Public health advocates are concerned that e-cigarettes, a nicotine delivery device, are a gateway device to smoking among youths.”

On March 18, the University System of Georgia adopted a tobacco-free campus policy systemwide, effective Oct. 1.

INGREDIENTS

According to the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of San Francisco, secondhand e-cigarette aerosol contains the following chemicals and metals:

Acetaldehyde

Benzene

Cadmium

Formaldehyde

Isoprene

Lead

Nickel

Nicotine

N-Nitrosonornicotine

Toluene

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oldredneckman96
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oldredneckman96 05/05/14 - 08:25 pm
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Finally smoking gun facts.
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At last, an article the people who sell e-ciggs did not write. The plain fact is that e-ciggs are no better at helping people quit smoking than any placebo. E-cigg users exhale toxins into the air, not “just water vapor” as the internet would have people believe. For those of us who do not live in a smokers world the e-cigg smells as bad as any other cigarette. Those who market e-ciggs, do so directly at youth, just as regular tobacco has for years. Big tobacco is the biggest force behind e-ciggs, the nicotine they were having to dispose of now has a market. The "fact" is these e-ciggs should be banned from use in public along with all other tobacco products.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/05/14 - 09:19 pm
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Gee, I went to the web site

Gee, I went to the web site for the anti-smoking kooks at the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education you cite in the gray box above.

If you look under their "Research" tab....there is NOTHING, NADA, ZERO mentioned about e-cigarettes. If they've done any research they sure aren't bragging about it.

These folks are NOT the FDA nor the CDC. They are just a bunch of anti-smoking crusaders with zero credibility and the Chronicle is remiss is citing them as experts.

So please excuse me while I go inhale some Acetaldehyde Benzene Cadmium Formaldehyde Isoprene Lead Nickel Nicotine N-Nitrosonornicotine Toluene......until you kooks dummy up enough rumors and half-truths to justify banning e-cigarettes......then I can go back to smoking 3 packs of the REAL cigarettes a day.

What's the matters????? Y'all missing that cigarette TAX revenue?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/05/14 - 10:27 pm
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Dialed to Zero Nicotine?

Dichotomy and others have said they use e-ciggs and they are helping them stop smoking. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the nicotine delivery be dialed to zero eventually? There's certainly nothing unhealthy for anyone with that level of nicotine.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 05/06/14 - 05:53 am
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It's still less than a 2 hour drive to Savannah

Yep, and the bar in the commercials (that obviously has exact copies in every city the tobacco Nazis try to control), and the poor girl who can't keep a job and has to move from city to city and can only find jobs at bars that must pipe in cigarette smoke, (since there's no way the limited number of customers in the joint could smoke that much) are legit too. I'm just taking a wild stab at a number, but since a business that allows smoking can't employee or allow anyone under 18 through the doors, I'd be willing to bet well over 95% of the eateries in Augusta are non-smoking. It would be far more difficult for you to find a place that allows smoking than one that prohibits it. WHY DO THESE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES? It's not health, since they are more places that don't allow smoking. It's not that these poor people have to work on a smoking environment, since there are far more jobs available in non-smoking establishments. If you work in a restaurant kitchen, you're exposed to numerous carcinogens due the the process of cooking. browning, and grilling the food. Why not make them stop cooking if health is the concern? Because it's not the concern. It an anti-tobacco, anti-smoking campaign, by zealots who want to force their life onto others. Why aren't there laws requiring these zealots to wait for a year or two before they can keep bringing the same measure up over and over again? They lose, they whine, they bring it up again, they lose, they whine, they bring it up again. Haven't they figured out people here don't want it? Oh eventually, they'll bring it up enough times they'll get the votes, they'll cheer and brag, after they've browbeat the town with vote after vote after vote, bum science, fake studies, and propaganda in their commercials. Yes, smoking is bad for you. I've been to 2 places you can smoke in town and have been to 100's that you can't. Like I've said before, these folks obviously have no concern for the auto exhaust you breathe as you sit boozing it up eating double chili cheeze (fake cheese) fries at a sidewalk table, or that Augusta is 23rd in the nation in particulate air pollution (on the bad side), so they give rat's rear end about health. The only evil to them is tobacco. Zealots. The Tobacco Taliban. What will they take away next? The Center for Tobacco Research and Education appears to be among a group a worldwide research organizations whose sole purpose is anti-tobacco research, and tobacco tax initiatives, not unbiased research. They did let this slip through. You might pick up 1/10th the amount of nicotine being around an ecig smoker, but that's it:"Results: The study showed that e-cigarettes are a source of secondhand exposure to nicotine but not to combustion toxicants. The average concentration of nicotine resulting from smoking tobacco cigarettes was 10 times higher than from e-cigarettes." Maciej L. Goniewicz, PhD, Department of Health Behavior, Division of Cancer Prevention and Population Science, Roswell Park Cancer Institute

JulianH
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JulianH 05/06/14 - 07:40 am
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Disagree with the findings - secondhand aerosol

I'm a former tobacco smoker who switch to electronic cigarettes because it doesn't take a genius to realize the e-liquid of vapor smoking is safer than the 4000+ cancer causing chemicals in tobacco cigarettes. The nicotine in e-liquid is the same as used in nicotine gum paid for by Medicare and Medicaid, and it has food grade flavorings, in a base of propylene glycol which is rated GRAS, "generally regarded as safe" by the FDA. The flavoring is found in many food products, asthma inhalers, the anti-smoking drug ZYBAN, and toothpaste. Best of all, for users who want to eventually quit nicotine, if you order safe e-liquid made in the U.S. from reputable retailers like www.southbeachsmoke.com (where I buy) the ingredients of the e-liquid are listed and you choose your nicotine level. Order less nicotine each time and soon you can ween yourself off. This is a fantastic product which is helping people like me to quit nicotine.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/06/14 - 07:54 am
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All I know is that I haven't

All I know is that I haven't had a real cigarette for exactly 1 year as of next week. I smoked for 49 years. I was up to 3 packs a day. My wife is ecstatic. The house doesn't smell like smoke. I don't smell like smoke. My clothes don't smell like smoke. My car doesn't smell like smoke. Everyone I have been around says there is nothing detectable to the little bit of water vapor I exhale...no odor....no irritant.....nothing offensive.

So as far as I am concerned the crusading pseudo "experts" at Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education, the Chronicle employee(s) who were biased enough to quote these folks as experts, and any and all government agencies can all stick it in their ear.

csralookout
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csralookout 05/06/14 - 08:25 am
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Can someone do a study?

"There is no scientific data to support the safety of e-cigarettes for the user and for others in close proximity who inhale the emitted e-cigarette vapors." Hopefully someone does a study soon so we can put this argument to bed. And I would like to get a Doctor's opinion on if they believe E-Cigs are better for you. Any doctor's out there willing to comment?

bdouglas
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bdouglas 05/06/14 - 08:42 am
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That's some stellar

That's some stellar proofreading work on the *headline*... "Local experts express opinions on electronic cigaretts"

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/06/14 - 09:18 am
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It is a free country and sure

It is a free country and sure it isn't regulated but neither is the holistic herbal health and weight reduction products. You can't punish a person or product for a potential to be toxic. You need a study to support such actions. If so they there are about a thousand products that need to be banned sold online and in about every market and pharmacy. The FDA generally recognized propylene glycol as "safe" it isn't toxic to humans. Many foods and vaporized pharmaceuticals contain propylene glycol. The problem is tobacco contaminates in the ecigarettes so it is a quality control issue. If just propylene glycol and nicotine there should be no health adverse effects and maybe some positive from nicotine a known memory enhancer and protective against Alzheimer's, stimulant, anxiety reducer, and pain reliever-as well as smoker's paradoxes and health benefits.

Dixieman
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Dixieman 05/06/14 - 09:27 am
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There are two approaches to life

1. You are forbidden to do anything until experts conclusively prove it's safe.
2. You are allowed to do anything until experts conclusively prove it's dangerous.
This is America. We follow Approach #2. Or used to. And we should.

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 05/06/14 - 09:44 am
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I am on board with every

I am on board with every commenter so far.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 05/06/14 - 09:45 am
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Hey Chronicle

It's ok to have a typo in the story but it's unacceptable to have one in a headline.

Sweet son
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Sweet son 05/06/14 - 12:01 pm
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Rather than post typos here, send Sean or the reporter an email

and it will get fixed quicker. We all know Sean is the man and he can handle anything!!! :)

corgimom
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corgimom 05/06/14 - 01:27 pm
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Bod, you must not have gone

Bod, you must not have gone to Augusta nightclubs back in the day. The Honky Tonk, with that low ceiling on the dance floor, was AWFUL for trapping cigarette smoke, and that was with no smoking allowed on the dance floor.

It was better for the band, in that the sound didn't disappear, but the smoke was so thick it was hard to breathe, not just for me, but for others, too.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 05/06/14 - 01:28 pm
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So the experts are ANTI-E-CIG?

Yep that was impartial ..... NOT

Those of you that know me know I don't smoke.
But why can't some people stay out of other personal lives without having to create false drama for their Meal Ticket crusade?

BreathEasy Augusta Coalition is part of a NATIONAL ORGANIZATION with $$$$$$$$ to burn - their latest $$$$ making idea is ANTI-Vapor.

Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education
aka Center for ANTI-SMOKE Propaganda.

Both of these Crusading Groups are in it for the MONEY & Political power. It is how they make their living. They are a Political Interest Group a PIG.

Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education is located ON the UNIV OF Cal SF campus. It get Federal Grants, big donations and etc...

FACE IT what we are seeing is a E-Cig version of Global Warming.
There is $$$$$$ in these protests.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 05/06/14 - 01:32 pm
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BTW:

Could someone post the 0.000#%'s of the chemicals
that they CLAIM E-Cig's produce and what that is above naturally occurring situations. Plus how they are produced from water?

They say E-Cig, which use water turned to vapor with a favor added, produce;

Acetaldehyde
Benzene
Cadmium
Formaldehyde
Isoprene
Lead
Nickel
Nicotine
N-Nitrosonornicotine
Toluene

They must have used SF Bay water in their E-Cig testing.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 05/06/14 - 01:36 pm
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CM - low ceilings?

Not nowhere near any 3+ foot high Dance Table on Broad St. or the side streets either. that I saw 30+ years ago.☺

Even the Marine Room a few door down from the GA R& R had high ceilings

edcushman
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edcushman 05/06/14 - 02:17 pm
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"WHY DO THESE PEOPLE FEEL
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"WHY DO THESE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES? "
bod, because they are liberals/progressives and think they are smarter than the unwashed average guy. I am surprised you are against this since you support about everything else the liberals/progressives do.

edcushman
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edcushman 05/06/14 - 02:15 pm
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"It was better for the band,
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"It was better for the band, in that the sound didn't disappear, but the smoke was so thick it was hard to breathe, not just for me, but for others, too."
corigmom, if you DID NOT LIKE IT why did you go? Most people do not go to place they don't like. But then I am not thinking like a liberal. Liberals want everyone else to accommodate what they want.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/06/14 - 02:59 pm
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They don't produce it-they

They don't produce it-they contain it as contaminants. Quality control issues. The ecigarette is marketed for smokers who realize the health risks of smoking but can't quit and are trying this supposedly safer alternative. Now before many studies are performed the cig Nazis want to burst your bubble. I found one study that only found the propylene glycol can be irritating=dang that's irritating. So I don't think a few early studies is definitive of squat. Then they extrapolate to second hand water vapor and its contaminants as toxic too-before a study. I'm glad to see the ACLU and the SCOTUS grew a scrotum and addressed religious freedom with some logic and reason-the case had to do with politicians who chose to have a prayer before their meetings-it wasn't trying to support a religion, and it did not coerce participation by non -adherents. It was just the free exercise in this instance of prayer which was also a tradition. Like some cities still have a big christmas tree on some local business. People have a right to pray or not pray before their work even if they serve in the govt-since they do have Congressional prayer, etc.

AutumnLeaves
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AutumnLeaves 05/06/14 - 04:37 pm
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I was talked into walking in

I was talked into walking in the Honky Tonk a few times over the years. I skeptically said, okay, walked in, walked around, and walked right back out again, stinking of smoke in that short time. If they had smoke-eaters they didn't work very well. I didn't see any point in risking my health just to go dancing. Why would anyone voluntarily breathe in cigarette and cigar smoke, knowing what we know about it now? The word that kept going through my head was "firetrap". Not my cup of tea.

oldredneckman96
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oldredneckman96 05/06/14 - 06:42 pm
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Nicotine and Antifreeze
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Who in their right mind would knowingly inhale these? Only an addict, but why do they want everyone to join?, because they can not quit and want to come in out of the rain. They are dying to quit, because for some dying is the only way to quit, do not let them take you with them!

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 05/07/14 - 06:56 am
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Oh yeah, back in the day I

Oh yeah, back in the day I hit The Whipping Post and Georgia Moon all of the time. They aren't around anymore, and I used to be one of the cigarette smokers, and at the Moon there usually was other smoking in the back. Most places now, you can't smoke and owners are free to not allow it in the bars if they think it will be a boon for their business. I have a problem with these folks forcing it on them and others, and it's not a liberal/conservative thing either edcush. Anti-tobacco Nazis are on both sides of the aisle. All it takes is people who don't like smoking. There's no political affiliation associated with that, as a matter of fact since the super religious right wingers are often against drinking and smoking, I'd venture to say they'd be more likely to support banning vices than liberals. As I've said before, smoking doesn't bother me but, I'd like to strangle cologne/perfume abusers, however, I'd choke to death before I got close enough. There's something they can ban. How about the chemicals in them and a study on the number of people allergic to them? Not on their agenda because all their against if tobacco. If it's second hand smoke that's really their concern, why do they push for policies that ban dipping? No transfer to other people there. That pinch between your cheek and gum isn't going to have second hand saliva spread around the area. If it's the same law, read how restrictive it is. They don't just want you to "take it outside" as they like to claim. They don;t want you to do it at all and make sure you can't smoke near doorways, windows, any openings, and it sounded like a business couldn't even have an outdoor eating/drinking area to cater to the smokers. So if you can't let customers smoke outside and serve them, the "take it outside" line is not being truthful because I wouldn't dream of calling anyone a liar on these comments since even if it's a whopper, the comment gets pulled, so I'd never do that. They're anti-tobacco Nazis, plain and simple, and they'll stoop to any method, any stories, any line, to get this passed no matter how often they bring it up time and time again until someone caves, then they move on to the next city. Sort of like the Austria, then the Sudetenland, then......

Graymare
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Graymare 05/07/14 - 07:30 am
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That's for sure!!

Here, here Bod! "As I've said before, smoking doesn't bother me but, I'd like to strangle cologne/perfume abusers, however, I'd choke to death before I got close enough. There's something they can ban. How about the chemicals in them and a study on the number of people allergic to them?" I'm not a fan of smoke but, if you have to use that much perfume or cologne perhaps you ought to bathe. It doesn't smell good, it stinks, makes folks ill, takes your breath away and gives folks migraines!

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