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Medical marijuana used in Augusta, activist says

Diverse range of people said to be involved

Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:55 PM
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Even without a law to cover them in Georgia, dozens and maybe hundreds of people in the Augusta area are using marijuana or a derivative to treat ailments, one activist said.

Medical marijuana activist Maison Harley said their shadowy use clamors for the state to extend legal protection amid an evolving understanding of the potential health benefits of cannabis.

“That’s the gray area that all of these families are having to go into,” he said. “Most of them have taken it upon themselves to find these products via any means necessary.”

That means using it outside the law.

Asked whether that meant taking a trip to one of the 21 states where medical marijuana is legal and bringing it back or obtaining it by mail, Harley said: “That’s some of the ways, but I can’t fully disclose their means for obvious reasons.”

The families have found each other by “word of mouth,” he said.

“These are everyday people,” Harley said. “The range of social class is phenomenal, the range of backgrounds, jobs, everything.”

He said the number of families doing this is beyond what even he knows.

“I would say it could even be in the hundreds,” he said. “I’ve been meeting folks who have been using it for years now, and obviously they’ve had no means to get in a legal sense.”

Most of them are not smoking marijuana but are eating foods laced with the drug or its derivatives, Harley said.

“And their doctors know,” he said. “They tell their doctors that’s what they do.”

Harley said he got interested in the subject during college at the University of South Carolina when he joined the university’s chapter of NORML (National Or­ga­n­ization for the Reform of Mari­juana Laws) and became fascinated with what he saw as the potential health benefits.

“A lot of people in many families are sick, disabled,” he said. “From cancers to nerve pain, chronic pain, (multiple sclerosis). I found all of these chemicals (in cannabis) have an interaction with those kinds of diseases, mostly beneficial things. There’s something going on, there’s something there.”

MARIJUANA WAS used as a treatment for malaria, constipation and pain in China as early as 2600 B.C. and was widely used in Europe and the United States in the 19th century, according to a review in the journal Drug Testing and Analysis by the medical director of GW Phar­ma­ceuticals, which has created drugs based on cannabis compounds.

The drug fell out of favor with the advent of pharmaceuticals and widespread concern about its recreational abuse, which led to prohibition in the U.S., according to the review.

In 1988, researchers discovered the first cannabinoid receptor on a nerve cell, which led to the discovery of the endocannabinoid system in the body, which is involved in processes as diverse as immune response, motor coordination, body temperature, emotions and bone formation, the review notes.

Marijuana was historically used as anti-seizure medication, and there is evidence that the endocannabinoid system is involved in modulating seizure activity and the excitation of nerves, the review found.

Specifically, it has centered on a chemical derived from cannabis called cannabidiol, but it has been studied in only 48 patients who were not getting seizure control from their medications, the review noted.

While there was some evidence of seizure reduction, it was not possible to compare to a placebo, so testing in humans “is still in its infancy,” the review said.

GW Pharmaceuticals has a drug with cannabidiol called Epidiolex that is just entering clinical trials in the U.S. in patients with Dravet syndrome, with first 30 and then 60 patients in those trials. The state of Georgia hopes to persuade the company to hold a trial at Georgia Re­gents University to get desperate parents access to the drug. GRU researcher Yong Park said he has been in contact with the company on his own and hopes to hear back soon.

A GEORGIA BILL that would have legalized cannabidiol oil without tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which causes the marijuana high, wasn’t passed earlier this year despite overwhelming support. It was attached at the last minute to less popular legislation mandating insurance coverage for autism treatment.

That bill authorized the oil for only certain conditions such as severe seizure disorders and made it clear that the change in state law would not be a step toward recreational use.

“There’s no dispensaries, there’s no storefronts being made,” Harley said. “You won’t see this pop up on Broad Street.”

A bill in the South Caro­lina Legislature would do just that and authorize a much broader range of medical conditions the oil could cover.

THERE IS NOT a medical marijuana prosecution ongoing in Georgia right now as far as Ashley Wright, the district attorney for the Augusta Ju­dic­ial Circuit, knows. It is difficult for her to talk about how she might handle one, other than following the law as it stands.

“You take a case-by-case situation, you look at whether there is criminal intent, you look at what the substance is and how it is obtained and how it is administered,” Wright said. “I think those would be the steps one would go through if there turned out to be a case where there was someone who had a medical need. But unfortunately, the law doesn’t provide that exception right now.”

The cannabidiol oil bill’s sponsor, Rep. Allen Peake, R-Macon, has promised to bring up the legislation again the first day of the session next year to try and give families some protection.

Harley hopes the medical evidence he so firmly believes in, but is now mostly confined to animal models and anecdotal cases, will be even more evident by then.

“There’s definitely something to it,” he said. “It’s definitely moved beyond hippies and Woodstock.”

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marktwain54
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marktwain54 04/19/14 - 06:01 pm
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Thank God These People Are Getting Proper Treatment

As sad as this might be to Big Pharma, thank God these ill persons are getting the help they need.

Every major religion teaches us "...And the fruit of the vine shall be thy food and the leaves thy medicine". In the Old Testament cannabis is mentioned numerous times (by its Hebrew name) and that was the annointing oil to help cure/heal people. In fact also in the New Testament (the original Hebrew word was not interpreted correctly by King James) says religious scholars, but it definitely is cannabis. In fact the word Christ means "The Annointed One". It was not used to "get high". It was used as medicine.

Please do not use industrial hemp derivitaves unless a fairly good analgesic is all you seek. It is not even in the same league with real cannabis female bud resin (which is powerful enough to fight cancer, MS etc).

I salute the law enforcement of Augusta for turning their heads as a lot of these people will die without it.

I know the medical community (a lot of it; especially the older ones who have not studied Cannabis Medince in med school) will highly disagree, and that's okay.

It's more important that patients know, so, if the medicines they've been treated with are not working, they know there is a very healthy alternative.

Also, cannabis is not a drug. It is a medicinal herb. Big big difference. Like all medicinal herbs it should be taken "full spectrum" or all the terpenes, alkaloids, phytochemicals etc.

Big Pharma has isolated a few of the cannabinoids such as THC and made them into chemical form (such as synthetic tch - Marinol) which is a total disaster at $300 per bottle.

Though smoking cannabis is not as bad for you as many say, I suggest not to only because you only get about 30% at most of the medicinal properties. Stick to the oils or tinctures; some like the medibles, but smoke is a bad idea and a big waste of money.

Why do I call it cannabis and not marijuana? Cannabis is its real name and what it was called until about 1930 when America's first drug Czar changed the name to anything Spanish (marijuana, locoweed, etc). There was no science in banning it. It was Anslinger trying to make a name for himself. He and his best buddy Joseph McCarthy created this ruse story that young Mexican men were sneaking it across the border, kidnapping American women, addicting them "to this horrific drug" never to be seen again.

Of course none of that was true. Meanwhile Anslinger kept his buddy Joseph well supplied for his opiate habit which of course drove him insane and killed him at an early age.

Before all this, cannabis was one of the most prescribed medicinal herbs in America (in bottles at pharmacies). It was so popular with doctors and pharmacists because there were so few side effects, it was extremely safe, and very effective.

Now, its even better. Farmers have learned to breed the seeds to be very high in CBD and low to medium in THC. The cbd negates the "high" feeling from THC yet enhances THC's medical properties (CBD is the most prolific of all the healing agents in cannabis, but they all need to be together to work properly.

Augusta, please continue to allow your ill people to get well who are not getting well by allopathic medicine. It happens. It does not make doctors bad. Some even highly recommend it. The AMA was very much against banning cannabis in the 1930s.

And hang in there patients. It is becoming legalized (soon) all over America (in the very least for medicinal purposes).

Until then, it is also a tremendous preventative of so many different catastrophic diseases; just a few drops of high cbd/low thc tincture per day (there is no psychoactive high but there surely is a lot of curing/healing going on). Thank you. MT

fedex227
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fedex227 04/19/14 - 05:38 pm
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Of all the staff writers at the Chronicle ...
Unpublished

I must say I always look forward to Mr. Corwin's reporting. Topical, unbiased, detailed, insightful, straight up journalism. Good job once again Tom.

oldredneckman96
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oldredneckman96 04/19/14 - 07:52 pm
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Pot heads
Unpublished

Yes, lots of people go to witch doctors, some handle snakes, others use palm readers or tarot cards. Pot heads can believe what they want. If they think buying some stuff off the internet from an unknown seller is the way to go, well that is why money does not come with instructions. If you you are smarter than all the Doctors at the FDA and the AMA why are you so poor?

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 04/19/14 - 08:48 pm
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I support using extracts

I support using extracts 100%. Too bad one of our local legislators poisoned the well, causing the legislation to allow more study to fail. Provided they remove the "high" component, who could argue if safety and efficacy is established?

Navy Gary
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Navy Gary 04/19/14 - 08:56 pm
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It's a plant

It's a plant that exists naturally on earth. Governments have no right making any plant illegal. It's just a way to make criminals out of those who otherwise would not be. It's a joke that in a supposedly free country, that people are going to prison for growing, eating, and smoking a freaking PLANT that has been used for thousands of years by almost every civilization on the planet.

These archaic laws were pushed by bureaucratic goons of the 1930's like Harry Anslinger who used fear and racism to promote laws that would increase the budgets of his newly created bureaucracies. (The Bureau of Prohibition, and after that the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics.) Other campaigns against marijuana in the 1930's included one where DuPont petrochemical interests and newspaper giant William Randolph Hearst teamed together to create a highly sensational anti-marijuana campaign to eliminate hemp as an industrial competitor.

wmarkw
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wmarkw 04/19/14 - 09:04 pm
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Good Article

And great post mark twain. Time to get the usual bashers in here to spew their ignorant propaganda posts. MJ causes brain disease, all MJ dealers should be executed, the children, the children, they will eat the brownies!!!! We know who you are!!

Bring the ZazzZ machine here. If you want to invest in the green rush check out the company ERBB the creators of the Zazzz vending machine. Happy 420.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 04/19/14 - 09:43 pm
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Harbin

itsanotherday1 posted:

Too bad one of our local legislators poisoned the well, causing the legislation to allow more study to fail.

I'm not afraid to post his name. It was Ben Harbin, from Columbia County. Vote him out next time!

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 04/19/14 - 09:46 pm
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Illegal Plants

Navy Gary posted:

Governments have no right making any plant illegal.

State senatorial candidate Corey Johnson is trying to make tobacco smoking illegal, Mr. Gary. Let's be sure to vote him down in the May election.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 04/19/14 - 10:03 pm
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Nullification

From the story:

“You take a case-by-case situation, you look at whether there is criminal intent, you look at what the substance is and how it is obtained and how it is administered,” Augusta Circuit District Attorney Ashley Wright said. “I think those would be the steps one would go through if there turned out to be a case where there was someone who had a medical need. But unfortunately, the law doesn’t provide that exception right now.”

Well, according to the principles laid down by the United States president and the United States attorney general, if a law enforcement official does not agree with a law, he or she should ignore it, and not prosecute it.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/20/14 - 07:10 am
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According to Nave's Bible

According to Nave's Bible Dictionary, calamus is "A sweet cane of Palestine - Song of Solomon 4:14; Ezekiel 27:19; "An ingredient of the holy ointment - Exodus 30:23; Isaiah 43:24." The 48 King James translators were educated men and knew what they were doing. They were extremely proficient in the Hebrew and Greek Languages. The calamus was mixed with cinnamon and myrrh to form an oil for anointing purposes.

Some modern "scholars" have claimed that the King James translators mistranslated the Hebrew word "qaneh" (pronounced "Kaw-neh"). They did not. Self professed "scholars" claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" --which is the Hebrew word for cannabis (hemp, or marijuana). Where did this "scholarly" information come from? Suspiciously, there are only a couple sources of this NEW information. It is a ridiculous claim that a few people have found a NEW truth that theologians and translators have missed for thousands of years.

Allegedly, in 1903, the British physician Dr. Creighton was the first to determine that several references to cannabis can be found in the Old Testament. Interestingly, no one can seem to document this claim. Then again in 1936, etymologist Sara Benetowa (of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw) allegedly discovered the connection between kaneh-bosem in the Old Testament, and the original Semitic Hebrew origins of the word cannabis. Again, where's the proof of these allegations? Anyone can say anything; but without proof, it is only conjecture at best.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 04/20/14 - 07:18 am
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Nothing new or startling here

Since MARIJUANA is the Organic equivant of a chemical tranquilizer.

Besides where do you think the old saying "He's been Smoking Rope." came from?

Hemp was widely used in making Ropes.

In the irony of ironies, the University of Mississippi has been growing marijuana for the Federal government's Naval Hemp/Marijuana program, since the 1960's that I know of, although it is illegal by US Law?

seenitB4
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seenitB4 04/20/14 - 07:43 am
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Great article

Thank you marktwain54.....join us again please...♥

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/20/14 - 07:44 am
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The issue here, is calamus

The issue here, is calamus and cannabis the same thing in scripture. Calamus, referred to as "sweet cane" which is a cane or reed like plant...sure doesn't sound like marijuana plant. Also the Holy Anointing Oil was to be used only for anointing articles of the Tabernacle and the priests and later extended to prophets and kings. It was not to be used for anything, or anyone, else - anyone who did was cut off from Israel, and God.

There are only 4 references in the New Testament of using anointing oil, two in Mark where the disciples heal the sick and Mary anointing the feet of Jesus in worship. One in the book of James where the church elders heal the sick and one in Hebrews where God anoints Christ with the "oil of gladness" upon his return to heaven. There is nothing in scripture that says we can or can not use anointing oil but likewise we must not twist scripture to justify our means.

edcushman
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edcushman 04/20/14 - 07:47 am
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"MJ causes brain disease" MJ
Unpublished

"MJ causes brain disease"
MJ makes a person stupid, having said that I think it should be legal. But then they would be even more democrats.

ralphinga
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ralphinga 04/20/14 - 10:08 am
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It's a Miracle

Pharmaceutical companies would have incorporated the components of weed into their products long ago, if they would have been effective. MJ is best known for its use as an intoxicant. Just come out and say you want marijuana legalized and quit hiding behind the miracle medicine BS......those uses are limited.

HolyAnnointingOil
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HolyAnnointingOil 04/20/14 - 10:29 am
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It is a Miracle

I encourage everyone doubting Medical Cannabis and its benefits to use their God given hands on this easter and google GW Pharmaceuticals. An entire multi-million dollar company using cannabis as its base in pharmaceuticals. Also the debate in the bible of the use of Cannabis is found in which translation you use. If you use modern white folk translation's, it correlates to Calamus. If you use actual ancient Hebrew texts and scholar translation's, it correlates to Cannabis. And the proof is in the mechanics folks, science over bias.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/20/14 - 11:04 am
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There has been and needs to

There has been and needs to be more research with cannabis and all its over 400 compounds including cannabinoids-that have various uses too. Anecdotal reports of people isn't science so highly controlled studies as is referenced in this article sounds like it is heading in the right direction. But there are lots of new medications heading down the pike from previous research already in the works. The cannabidiol oil doesn't get you high and is anti-psychotic-further it reduces the toxicity of THC.

Airman
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Airman 04/20/14 - 12:11 pm
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Question

Would you rather see someone driving under the influence of medical MJ or morphine. I have tried the medical version of MJ and did not get high, but the trial period is over and I now take 12o mg of extended relief morphine and yes I get a high from it so I have to plan my trips for groceries and doctors accordingly

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/20/14 - 01:45 pm
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Well the science says that

Well the science says that young folks 16-21 are affected by just casual use of pot-it stimulates the growth of two areas of the brain that regulate emotions and memory-the nucleus accumbens and the amygdala. These are the same areas that increase in dopamine levels from addiction to stimulants. It is also an area the increases activity when Buddhist monks meditate and emit gamma waves. Funny a pot head has more neurons than a non-smoker-at least in these two areas. Smoke pot and be a brainiac LOL.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/20/14 - 02:16 pm
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(HAO) ". If you use modern

(HAO) ". If you use modern white folk translation's, it correlates to Calamus. If you use actual ancient Hebrew texts and scholar translation's, it correlates to Cannabis. " You are wrong.

Exodus 30:23 "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels.

The Hebrew word for calamus is “qaneh” (קָנֶה), which translates into English as “calamus"

The Hebrew word for cannabis is “kineboisin” (חשיש).

There are those who wise to promote the theory that the word has been mistranslated and even if it was, the Holy Anointing Oil was only to be used by Aaron and his sons (the priests). In Exodus, God forbid the use of the oil on man's flesh and to suggest that Yeshua, the only begotten Son of God needed cannabis to heal, is ridiculous. It would have meant He was going against the Torah, committing a sin, is just blasphemy.

HolyAnnointingOil
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HolyAnnointingOil 04/20/14 - 02:26 pm
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Calamus

Once again the proof is in the mechanics. I doubt a mixture of calamus would of made it to the ranks of priests and be considered holy to the point if handed out you were excommunicated.

The first solid evidence of the Hebrew use of cannabis was established in 1936 by Sula Benet, a little known Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw. The word cannabis was generally thought to be of Scythian origin, but Benet showed that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, and that it appears several times throughout the Old Testament. Benet explained that "in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant.”

Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while bosm means "aromatic". This word appears five times in the Old Testament; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.... and has been mistranslated as calamus, a common marsh plant with little monetary value that does not have the qualities or value ascribed to kaneh-bosm. The error occurred in the oldest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint in the third century BC, and was repeated in the many translations that followed.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/20/14 - 02:56 pm
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"Once again the proof is in

"Once again the proof is in the mechanics. I doubt a mixture of calamus would of made it to the ranks of priests and be considered holy to the point if handed out you were excommunicated. "

Doesn't really matter whether you believe it or not....Hebrew text explains the difference in sweet calmus and cannabis and it make the ranks for priest because God ordained it, not because of what it was.

HAO, There is no word for cannabis in Biblical Hebrew just as there is no word for galaxy in Biblical Hebrew since Galaxies were not discovered until the early part of the 20th century. There is a word for galaxy in modern Hebrew,- it is a transliteration "galaqsah" an obvious transliteration of an English word, and so

The word for cannabis in modern Hebrew is "qannabbos" which is obviously a transliteration of the English or Greek word because there is not a Hebrew word for hemp. It is derived from English (or Greek) not ancient Levitical Hebrew in Ex 30:23. Cannabis then is not mentioned in Ex 30:23 but "sweet cane" is mentioned. Sweet cane and cannabis are not the same thing. There may be a remote possible phonetic relation between hemp which is a reed called cannabis and the Greek word for reed which in English is calamus but there is not any Hebrew connection.

Believe what you will.........

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/20/14 - 03:02 pm
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Also, The word calamus is

Also,

The word calamus is used 3 times in the KJV. Both in the Song of Solumon and Ezekiel have the word q'neh in Hebrew without the word sweet following as in Exodus. There is no "bosem" therefore Calamus is a proper translation of q'neh both of which mean reed or cane and they are generic, that is any reed or cane.

Again, the word calamus in Song 4:15 is from the Hebrew q'neh alone. The word bosem (sweet) is not in the text in Song 4:15. The word q'neh translated calamus here appears 62 time in the OT and is translated reed, cane, spear, pen etc. beside calamus.

There is no mistranslation of this word. God Word is truth, infallible, and does not change with the times. Continue to believe what you will to justify your view but it does not change truth.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/20/14 - 03:16 pm
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If it was in use then why

If it was in use then why isn't it still in use-most of their religious traditions have remained unchanged in thousand of years? Nor does one persons work in the area qualify as "authoritative".

HolyAnnointingOil
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HolyAnnointingOil 04/20/14 - 03:28 pm
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Israel

Israel currently has the largest medical cannabis program in the world. They're well aware about the benefits. And many societies across the globe currently and have always used cannabis preparations for religious or medical uses.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 04/20/14 - 03:40 pm
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List

As I've said before, when one makes a list, someone has to be on top and someone else has to be on the bottom.

And it would be helpful to your readers if you would list some of the many societies who are currently and have always used cannabis preparations for religious or medical uses.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/20/14 - 04:08 pm
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Well people have used arsenic

Well people have used arsenic and other poisons and toxins as medicines too for years so that really isn't a valid argument-lots of herbal preps have some potent carcinogens. That said I've always supported the use of hemp (makes best rope), and medical marijuana research.But it is still illegal and against federal , no matter the excuse (which could be religious, etc), is still illegal-just like the Bundy guy in Nevada who is disobeying the law. Funny the fed will swoop down on the rancher but not states illegally promoting pot which is against federal law. Georgia already has a pot law from the 80s, as I mentioned before, and a company in Atlanta that is selling edible pot, since the fed isn't enforcing the law. Halcyon organics-check it out. https://halcyonorganics.com
Their site states:"Georgia created a medical marijuana program in 1980. It is GA Code 43-34-120. Georgia did not implement the state medical marijuana program because Federal policy prohibited it at the time. The Federal Government now permits state medical marijuana programs as long as they are well-regulated and taxed."
I'D SAY LAWLESSNESS IS THE NEW NORM.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/20/14 - 04:07 pm
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HAO, you appear to be stating

HAO, you appear to be stating that Israel has always allow cannabis for medical purposes. From what I have read this is not so. In 1995, the Israeli Parliament Drug Committee formed a subcommittee to examine the legal status of cannabis, which recommended that the government continue to categorize cannabis as illegal, but also that it allow and regulate access to medicinal cannabis for severely sick patients. Also I could only find 10 out of 196 countries that allow cannabis for medical purposes. I don't consider that "many".

SRD
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SRD 04/20/14 - 05:29 pm
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Take a doze of my medicine

We can look at this from all sorts of studies, we can look at the bible, but the proof is in the treatment and affect. My husband is a cancer survivor and while going through horrific chemo treatment he lost nearly 80lbs, down to skin and bone and the horrible nausea he complained of was tear jerking. The oncologist prescribed a prescription drug to help with the nausea and increase his appetite and it didn't work, so finally this awesome doctor recommended we locate some pot and we did. It did help tremendously, he was taking so much pain medication that a little high from the pot didn't matter much. What did matter was that it did help with the nausea, it did increase his appetite so that he could eat and get some substance in his poor wretched body. We are both Christians and Conservatives but that didn't come into play in this case. Anything can be abused just like over eating, or drinking excessively but marijuana should be legalized for medical purposes and I support it whole-hardheartedly because I have seen the positive use when used. And I might add that it didn't lead to any other form of drug use as suggested. The good news, my husbands cancer was cured and marijuana was a terrific help during his illness and treatment. Unless you have walked in our shoes all you naysayers need a doze of what my husband was given.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/20/14 - 06:48 pm
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Believe me I'd break the law

Believe me I'd break the law too if I were in your shoes, but it is still against the law. That is all I'm saying-I know about the consequences of breaking the law. It is a risk and you could have a haunting record. We need to change this legally within the system-I'd like to see all convictions for an ounce or less expunged from everyones record from the early 60's on. I have a very close friend who would benefit-wink, wink.

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