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Garbage service billing proposal explained to commissioners

Monday, May 26, 2014 8:08 PM
Last updated Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:52 AM
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Augusta’s Environmental Ser­vices chief is proposing a change in billing for garbage service to make it uniform throughout Augusta-Richmond County.

The change proposed by Director Mark Johnson would switch all households to a fee-based system, including about 13,000 customers who live inside the old city limits.

“Moving to an all fee-based system eliminates confusion and the numerous calls each year generated by having two different fees for the same service,” Johnson said of his proposal, which is scheduled for discussion by the city’s engineering services committee Tuesday. “The citizens generally do not understand the difference between old city and old county this long after consolidation.”

Residents outside the old city limits pay a flat $310.50 per year. Those inside pay $115.50 plus a rate that varies based on the value of their property, with owners of higher-valued properties paying more.

Also up for review at Tuesday’s committee meetings:

• Approving an amended scope of work for Heery International to provide part-time project management services for construction of a new Augusta Public Transit bus maintenance facility

• A presentation from Mandy Young on creating “Davidson Se­nior Manor” in the former David­son Fine Arts school building.

IF YOU GO

WHAT: Augusta Commission committee meetings and called legal meeting

WHEN: Legal meeting starts at noon; committee meetings follow

WHERE: Commission chamber, second floor Augusta Municipal Building, 530 Greene St.

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dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/26/14 - 08:04 pm
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“Moving to an all fee-based

“Moving to an all fee-based system"

I rather you moved to an all FAIR PRICED SYSTEM. We haven't had that since you built your CNG empire at our expense while you cut our service in half.

rebellious
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rebellious 05/26/14 - 08:32 pm
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Excuse me?

I understand the difference between the old city and the old county all too well. In this instance, the difference is $195 and it ain't to the better for this "Old County" resident.

When I grow up I want to be as smart as Mark Johnson and build a trash empire. Then I can help the little people understand these subtle nuances in regional difference.

Give me an everloving break. Don't tinkle down my back and tell me I don't understand how it rains. Some of us dumb country folk have more than two teeth and can put these difficult concepts together, Masser Mark.

rebellious
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rebellious 05/26/14 - 08:32 pm
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Excuse me?

I understand the difference between the old city and the old county all too well. In this instance, the difference is $195 and it ain't to the better for this "Old County" resident.

When I grow up I want to be as smart as Mark Johnson and build a trash empire. Then I can help the little people understand these subtle nuances in regional difference.

Give me an everloving break. Don't tinkle down my back and tell me I don't understand how it rains. Some of us dumb country folk have more than two teeth and can put these difficult concepts together, Masser Mark.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/26/14 - 09:57 pm
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At La-a-a-st

My love has come along - - - -

Johnson is onto something. Residences in the "old city" need to pay the same flat rate for services as do those in the hinterlands.

Basing garbage fees on property valuations is so old-school (i.e., communism). From each according to his ability — to each according to his need.

We have a consolidated government. We need to do away with this "old city" good-ole boy system.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/26/14 - 09:57 pm
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I don't know why the

I don't know why the commissioners even listen to Mark Johnson. If he was so damned smart he could figure out how to provide basic garbage service for a reasonable price. I don't know why he has to wear his "I'm Stupid" hat every time he negotiates one of these ridiculously priced contracts unless he is diverting garbage pickup money to other purposes or other people. Believe me, if someone has an EXCLUSIVE contract to pick up EVERYONE'S garbage, every property, every driveway, in an entire section of the county they can do it FOR A LOT LESS than $310.50 a year per stop. The economy of scale would be more like about $150 a year per stop for once a week service if you have an exclusive contract on every residence. We are CERTAINLY being ripped off.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/26/14 - 10:03 pm
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Wrong, Wrong, Wrong

From the story, we hear that there will be a presentation from Mandy Young on creating “Davidson Se­nior Manor” in the former David­son Fine Arts school building.

Warning, Warning, Warning, Will Robinson

The property and building known as the former Davidson Fine Arts school is owned by the Richmond County Board of Education. This building does not need to become entangled in Augusta/Richmond County governmental politics. Let the Board of Education sell the property at fair market value or let them keep it and let it go to weeds. But do not let this Mandy Young person mesmerize the commissioners into thinking that city government must sink money into it.

gargoyle
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gargoyle 05/26/14 - 10:05 pm
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rebellious ... You as a old

rebellious ... You as a old county resident and I as a old city resident have both been sold a load of bull squeeze. As long as the powers that be keep us fighting about the disjointed many tiered tax structure wheelbarrows loads of money get dumped on a four square mile area. The idea a that rural and urban residents have the same needs from the same government body with a one size fits all plan is just plain ludicrous. While consolidation works elsewhere the plain truth is it was poorly planed and implemented here in Richmond county accidently on purpose. The trash tax is symptomatic of the Frankenstein like Tax/Fee system that we have endured, Old city residents have a Tax/Fee with tax plus 115.50 while old county have a 310.50 fee. The only folks who seem to be happy reside in the golden four square miles they get to see results. I wish we could be annexed into Columbia County an you in Old County to Burk letting the denizens of downtown fund their grandiose ideas themselves. The Downtown centered planning works at the expense of the rest of the county stroking a check every year and getting little to show for it.

rebellious
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rebellious 05/26/14 - 10:40 pm
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Gargoyle

We can dream. At least until they figure a way to tax those.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 05/27/14 - 04:28 am
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Should Been the same fee for the same service 16 yrs ago

I griped about this 2 years ago as we were being FORCED to pay a higher Property TAX without a Citizens VOTE. All because they called it a Service Fee to avoid the vote.

Look at it this way it only took 16 Years consolidate the Trash.
maybe in another 16 years they'll start sharing TAX $$$$$$ the same also.

dsterling9
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dsterling9 05/27/14 - 06:51 am
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Please contact your Commissioners

Please contact your Commissioners about your opinions and concerns about the separation of old city vs old county. I voted against consolidation and would vote to undo consolidation. Everyone one within the county (city and county) should be treated the same. The signs coming into Augusta do not distinguish between city and county so neither should taxes, fees, or services. Either a true consolidation or none!

edcushman
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edcushman 05/27/14 - 07:06 am
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Somebody has to pay for all
Unpublished

Somebody has to pay for all the section 8 houses

john
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john 05/27/14 - 07:40 am
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please

tell me again why the city took over trash collection? I was happy when I had to contract with a vendor.

Lori Davis
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Lori Davis 05/27/14 - 08:34 am
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Double taxation

I would say that the powers that be are beginning to hear the rumblings of a disgruntled populace who is tired of being illegally double taxed in the old city. The URBAN M&O should be gone by now. Expect to see this become a rather large issue this year.

grinder48
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grinder48 05/27/14 - 08:42 am
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Huh?
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"Those inside pay $115.50 plus a rate that varies based on the value of their property, with owners of higher-valued properties paying more."

That's RIDICULOUS. I live alone and generate very very little trash. The cost should be based on services consumed, not where you live or the value of the property.

Dixieman
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Dixieman 05/27/14 - 08:45 am
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itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 05/27/14 - 09:28 am
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Really simple solution

Let commercial haulers compete for the business. Why is the city in this day and time in the garbage business anyway? With commercial haulers, you get as much or as little service as you want to pay for, and those with the desire and/or means can take their own to the dump.

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countyman 05/27/14 - 09:59 am
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Apathy!!

Little Lamb.. Why are you negative about the majority of things in Richmond County? You praised the idea of a new fine arts magnet high school in Columbia County(based on the success of Davidson), but then you bash all of the schools in Richmond County which include Davidson and AR Johnson.. The whole purpose of the new magnet school in Columbia County is for the parents who don't feel like driving into Richmond County anymore to send their kids to Davidson..

The Davidson property doesn't belong to the RCBOE, because they sold the property last year for $450,000.. An private developer owns the old Davidson building and wants to create senior housing.. Empty nesters are one of the main groups flocking to live in urban areas..

The government should also get involve sometimes, because properties like the Regency Mall won't be purchased anytime soon.. How does a vacant Regency Mall help Augusta or the CSRA? The city should NEVER let any important site just become weeds..

Gargoyle.. Why would the residents of West Augusta or North Richmond want to be annexed by Columbia County? The residents don't have much in common with either Grovetown and especially Harlem.. The West Augusta/North Richmond area would do much better forming it's own city..

beccab13z
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beccab13z 05/27/14 - 10:21 am
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2x/Week

AT THOSE PRICES WE SHOULD GET OUR TRASH PICKED UP TWICE-WEEKLY!

Darby
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Darby 05/27/14 - 10:30 am
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Can somebody, ANYBODY,

tell us why those of us "outsiders" are carrying the "insiders" on our backs? Why the "subsidy" just because of where you live? Is your trash better than someone who might live just across the street.

If they paid their fair share, then our rates would go down, right?

Makes sense to me.

raul
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raul 05/27/14 - 11:07 am
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my waste management service

my waste management service is about 90 a quarter. Once a week pick up.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/27/14 - 12:00 pm
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Positive

I am not negative toward Richmond County schools. I do disagree with how they maintain their surplus property; and I am convinced their busing system is inefficient.

Countyman posted:

The Davidson property doesn't belong to the RCBOE, because they sold the property last year for $450,000.. An private developer owns the old Davidson building and wants to create senior housing.. Empty nesters are one of the main groups flocking to live in urban areas..

I did not know this. If true, then hip, hip, hooray. Hopefully the private developer will build his apartment building for seniors; and will not ask the city government for a handout. Taxpayers do not need to subsidize any more housing complexes.

gargoyle
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gargoyle 05/27/14 - 07:24 pm
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"Why would the residents of

"Why would the residents of West Augusta or North Richmond want to be annexed by Columbia County? " If put to a vote the results might be a very small city of Augusta. Even folks on the Hill are tiring of the never ending circus .

Gage Creed
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Gage Creed 05/27/14 - 08:56 pm
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Calliope

@gargoyle... I think I hear a calliope...

louiemcman
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louiemcman 05/28/14 - 07:18 am
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Here we go!

I wrote in last year when our service was cut in half at the same price of course. Now the word is increasing the prices for "downtown" customers....some how I get the feeling that MY rates will go up too! I never liked the "forced garbage" option. I called back when it started and asked, "what if I don't pay and handle my own trash" and was told they would put a lean on my property! So much for capitalism.

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