Complaint about Confederate flag on specialty Georgia tag

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ATLANTA — Georgia officials have once again approved a specialty license plate featuring the Confederate battle flag, angering an Atlanta-based civil rights group spokesman.

Georgia officials are releasing a specialty license plate featuring the Confederate battle flag, infuriating civil rights advocates and renewing a fiery debate. The Georgia Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans requested that the state issue the new plates. A spokesman says it meant no offense and that people have a right to commemorate their heritage.  AP
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Georgia officials are releasing a specialty license plate featuring the Confederate battle flag, infuriating civil rights advocates and renewing a fiery debate. The Georgia Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans requested that the state issue the new plates. A spokesman says it meant no offense and that people have a right to commemorate their heritage.

The Georgia division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans requested the new plate design, and the Georgia Department of Revenue recently approved it. The group's old plate had a small Confederate battle flag. The new one features an additional, larger image in the background that covers the entire plate.

Spokesman Ray McBerry said the group meant no offense and views the plates as a way for people to honor their heritage.

"We believe that everyone has the right to preserve their heritage," he said. "Southerners have as much right to be proud of their heritage as anybody else."

Southern Christian Leadership Conference spokesman Maynard Eaton told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution the state shouldn't have sanctioned the move.

"To display this is reprehensible," Eaton said. "We don't have license plates saying 'Black Power.'"

Gov. Nathan Deal said Tuesday that he was unaware of the plate.

"I hadn't heard that, so I don't know anything about it," Deal said. "I'll have to talk to them about it. I had no information in advance about it."

States that joined the Confederacy have taken different positions on the battle flag.

North Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi have specialty license tags that include it, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Texas rejected an application to issue one on the grounds that it could offend some. The Texas Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans sued board members of the Texas motor vehicle agency, and the case remains in court.

In Georgia, the Department of Revenue's motor vehicle division approves proposed designs for specialty plates. Agency spokesman Nick Genesi said the old design included the Confederate battle emblem and that organizations with existing plates were allowed to submit new designs since the state switched to a new type of flat, digitally-printed plate.

Genesi said any submitted designs must not violate copyright laws.

The plates are available for an initial cost of $80, of which $10 is directed to the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The group on its website says the funds will be used to promote Southern heritage through educational activities and preservation efforts around the state.

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burninater
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burninater 02/19/14 - 03:43 pm
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"Should the many always pay

"Should the many always pay for the few?"

ssruss, the point you make about co-opted symbols is an important one, but I would argue it doesn't fit well to the case of the Confederate flag, or the Nazi swastika (which is actually slightly different from the source symbol, by the way). These weren't merely co-opted to express a hateful viewpoint. These were utilized as symbols of ideologies that brutally treated, enslaved, and murdered millions of humans.

I would argue this is not an issue of the many paying for the few, but of the many honoring the many. We are a free country. People have the right to hateful speech. But officially sanctioning a symbol of institutional brutalization and dehumanization on state property (as is a license plate) is an official statement of dishonor of the memory of the estimated 12.5 MILLION humans treated as subhuman property during this despicable part of American history. People are not ignorant of the significance of this symbol. Pretending we can separate one meaning from another is farcical.

teaparty
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teaparty 02/19/14 - 03:43 pm
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"If people were treated
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"If people were treated fairly there would never have been a use for NAACP or SCLC."
owens, they were good organizations one time but now they ARE ALL ABOUT special rights not equal rights.

teaparty
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teaparty 02/19/14 - 03:46 pm
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"That flag is banned in
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"That flag is banned in Germany ."
owen, you are welcome to move if you like it so much.

owensjef3
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owensjef3 02/19/14 - 04:11 pm
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I think I will stay. But I do
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I think I will stay. But I do miss Germany .

Just My Opinion
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Just My Opinion 02/19/14 - 04:20 pm
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Echoe, give me a good reason

Echoe, give me a good reason why you think a black-exclusive club/group/team/show/whatever would be okay. Now, IF you can do that, would a similar thing be accepted, without criticism, if it were totally exclusive to whites?
I honestly want you to illustrate this for me, because I just can't see it.
This is exactly one of the reasons why there are strained race relations. Just like using the dreaded "n" word! By golly, NOBODY should EVER, NEVER use that word, or else!!!....well, except black folks can use still use it in regular conversations, and in movies, and in songs..because, well, it's about them and white people just don't understand what that word...the one blacks can use, but whites can't...has done to their people! Can't you see the hypocrisy? You sound like an intelligent person, so I'm sure if you're honest about it, you can see it.

walrus4ever
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walrus4ever 02/19/14 - 04:36 pm
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Funny that we bash Southern

Funny that we bash Southern efforts to govern themselves and resist the efforts of the Federal government to reign in the dissenters. Slavery was, and is, despicable . Lincoln used it to rally the north to beat down the southern aspirations. He unleashed his generals to burn cities, bombard civilians, destroy infrastructure and push the population into starvation. In his effort to capture Charleston, Federal troops used chemical ordnance to burn the civilian population out of their homes . He was the Bashar Assad of his time. No difference.

internationallyunknown
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internationallyunknown 02/19/14 - 04:47 pm
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Can

anyone else feel the Race War brewing in this country?

internationallyunknown
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internationallyunknown 02/19/14 - 04:48 pm
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...being pushed by small

...being pushed by small minds and the mainstream media?

internationallyunknown
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internationallyunknown 02/19/14 - 04:54 pm
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"I hate em!"

I can understand why most blacks don't care for most whites. (history)

What I don't understand is why some whites don't care for most blacks......anyone care to tackle this question?

burninater
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burninater 02/19/14 - 05:06 pm
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Can anyone else feel the Race

Can anyone else feel the Race War brewing in this country?
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Nope. But I can feel the dying gasp of a mindset frustrated that fewer and fewer people share their xenophobia and knee-jerk generalizations based on human difference.

UncleRemus
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UncleRemus 02/19/14 - 05:22 pm
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Flag

The SCLC spokesman has no idea the current Georgia State flag is a Confederate National Flag, (the Stars and Bars), with a Georgia coat of arms in the center of the circle of stars. The current Georgia State flag is almost a double to the Battle Flag carried by the 27th Georgia Infantry, CSA.

teaparty
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teaparty 02/19/14 - 05:23 pm
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"What I don't understand is
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"What I don't understand is why some whites don't care for most blacks......anyone care to tackle this question?"
You are correct there are some and I also don't really understand why. People have always been that way. Some people have always hate Jewish people, some people hate Italians. I believe the liberals, democrats and black leaders have created seriuos racism among black people toward white people. They keep driving a wedge between the races and they are doing it for political reasons. Most white people I know are not racist. Most white people I know that dislikes Obama dislikes him because of his politics not the color of his skin.

Just My Opinion
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Just My Opinion 02/19/14 - 06:07 pm
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Internationally, why don't

Internationally, why don't you tell us why you can easily understand why most black people don't like whites. I think the answers to that question will help lead you to the answers for your original question.

burninater
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burninater 02/19/14 - 06:11 pm
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jmo, internationally did say

jmo, internationally did say why. "History", was the reason stated.

Is history your answer for the original question?

bigj706
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bigj706 02/19/14 - 06:24 pm
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For those in their own world

For those in their own world BET is there because all stations are owned by a white person. So there is no need to be White entertainment when every station is that. Why would anyone on here care any way beside to think your making some point. The black population is small so to be like why do they have that is like an all jock school is complaining about the glee club" Why do they get have that!" Of course if you had no history of anything happening to your family of course you wouldn't understand so bring out the sweet tea because that's what its about according to some on here!

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 02/19/14 - 06:32 pm
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How is it that the opinion one smaller group of Americans

gets to redact history and define for everyone exactly what it hateful to all? OJ3, you can say it all you want, but you're just wrong, and if you knew anything about why the War Between the States happened, you would realize that Northern states predicated virtually all trade with Southern states on a system that could only exist with slave (ie, virtually free) labor. When Egypt was willing to undercut the South on cotton, the Northern textile industries decided to dump southern suppliers of raw materials like a bad habit. It was a move that would have bankrupted the South wholesale, but nobody in industry or government cared at all.

There were lots of Southern plantation owners that hated slavery but were locked into it for financial reasons. Whatever you may think about slavery, even you ultimately would choose your family's welfare over that of the people who work for you, when pushed to the wall. And that's what the Northern aggression was about, in part: pushing the South to the wall, even when there were reasonable alternatives being proposed in Congress right up to Fort Sumter.

You think education is the answer to everything? Perhaps you should get more on the history of the US interstate commerce between the Revolutionary War and 1860. Moral outrage over slavery and the genuine human suffering that happened many places are valid reasons for outrage, as they should be, but they rarely provide the impetus for all-out war waged by a government.

The reality is that slavery and the plight of black people was very convenient for centrists and those who really wanted more control, especially over national resources. Blacks were exploited then the same way they are exploited by liberals and the Democrat party today.

burninater
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burninater 02/19/14 - 06:51 pm
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Fiat, noone's arguing the

Fiat, noone's arguing the history.

They're arguing the rationality and morality of putting a symbol of institutionalized slavery and racism -- the subjugation of people as subhuman property, with the utilization of skin color as the determination of whether an individual was human or subhuman -- on an official state property.

Junket103
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Junket103 02/19/14 - 06:45 pm
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Co-opt the Symbol

If you don't like the plate, design your own for your own cause and dare the state to disapprove it. If you despise the flag, the fastest way to have it disappear is to get all the gangstas in the hood to co-opt it as their symbol. Perhaps the bloods or crips and their affiliates could start wearing rebel power or Southern pride t-shirts and hoodies with the flag prominently displayed. The entertainment industry will eventually embrace it and America's youth will co-opt as their chosen message. Afterall, everyone wants to be a rebel.

Just My Opinion
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Just My Opinion 02/19/14 - 07:18 pm
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Yeah, burninator, I guess you

Yeah, burninator, I guess you can say that history has played a role into how some blacks are seen by other people. History has shown that many opportunities have been provided to help advance black people specifically...some have taken advantage of those opportunities, but most haven't. Of course there are just as many whites who are also a drain on our society, but the major difference is that the whites weren't afforded those same chances. Affirmative Action, job quotas, even school segregation were set up to "even the playing field" for blacks. How much more can we be expected to do for one specific segment of our society?
Apparently, history has shown us that there will probably never be enough.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 02/19/14 - 07:27 pm
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As some of the more educated already know

IMPORTANT QUESTION:
If the War of Northern Aggression (State rights), was about slavery.

Why did they wait from November 6, 1860 to January 1, 1863 - about 1/2 way into the War, to announce it was "now suddenly" about slavery, as the Northern History re-writers would later publish? Note things were not going good for the North either at that point.

SOME FACTS TO CHEW ON
Delaware did not approve the 13th Amendment until 1901.

A number Union Officer owned salves.

A number of richer Northern Families owned Slaves during the war they were renamed Indentured Servants.

The stars and Bar is the Battle Flag, is not the Confederate National flag
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dmzYkS74JYk/TaSG_2n-ihI/AAAAAAAADS4/Ew584QCdYt...

The Stars and Bars represents the Battles fought and the CSA soldiers that died fighting Washington DC. Politicians and their aggressive forces.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 02/19/14 - 07:32 pm
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Blacks
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are just miserable because they can't have it all. Get an education and while you're at it, a JOB.

teaparty
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teaparty 02/19/14 - 11:32 pm
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ssruss, very well said
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ssruss, very well said

owensjef3
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owensjef3 02/20/14 - 04:09 am
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The main issue with the flag
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The main issue with the flag is the terror it represented from 1865 to 1970.

bigj706
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bigj706 02/20/14 - 07:13 am
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SSRUSS I agree with you in

SSRUSS I agree with you in that we are all the same I always put down or say I am an American just like everyone else. I don't need any attachments I was born and raised in the US. So I don't need an Africa attachment to it

Pond Life
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Pond Life 02/20/14 - 07:59 am
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"That flag is banned in
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"That flag is banned in Germany ."

Because Germany doesn't have the 1st amendment.

I suppose you would like the NBP group banned because of the terror they represent?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 02/20/14 - 08:03 am
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Owensjef. Why do you not
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Owensjef. Why do you not oppose the flag that flew in the United States during the time 1776 to 1865, when slavery was legal?

owensjef3
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owensjef3 02/20/14 - 08:37 am
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Maybe because that flag has
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Maybe because that flag has evolved and stars did not. I have never seen any stars and bars lover protest the use of the symbol by the KKK and neo Nazi hate groups. Comparing the NBP to the Nazi party or Jim Crow error hate groups is just silly and I wish you would stop that.

corgimom
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corgimom 02/20/14 - 08:46 am
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The Sons of Confederate

The Sons of Confederate Veterans are a legitimate group. They are not a hate group, they don't plot against anybody or want to do anybody any harm. They aren't any different than the DAR, or the Sons of the GAR, or the American Legion, or the VFW. Blacks fought for the Confederacy too, their descendants would also be welcome.

They have services for the dead soldiers, they do reenactments, they don't do anybody any harm.

They have EVERY RIGHT to have that plate, and if other people don't like it, too bad.

We SHOULD honor our dead soldiers, no matter who they fought for. They stood up for their beliefs and that's something that should always be respected.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 02/20/14 - 08:50 am
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Owensjef. Did you ever
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Owensjef. Did you ever protest the KKK flying the US flag?

http://www.rulen.com/kkk/

As far as wishing I would stop making valid comparisons, you can just keep wishing, because just because you find the truth uncomfortable is no reason for me to stop talking about it.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 02/20/14 - 08:52 am
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What is a Jim Crow error hate
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What is a Jim Crow error hate group?

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