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Ga. gun control supporters marshal Obama campaign help

Monday, Feb. 25, 2013 7:17 AM
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ATLANTA – Supporters of greater controls on guns have rolled out their latest weapon, so to speak, in the debate at the Georgia General Assembly, namely President Obama.

During a Capitol press conference Friday, volunteers with Organizing for Action announced they would mobilize Obama’s campaign supporters to write letters, make phone calls and use social media as a way to sway legislators.

“This is the spark right now,” said Sen. Lester Jackson, D-Savannah.

Jackson, who campaigned for Obama, is using his ties to the president to help push resolutions he will introduce to urge Congress to enact universal background checks of gun buyers.

The group is also supporting bills in the Georgia Senate to limit the capacity of automatic weapons.

The first event will be a Capitol rally at 5 p.m. Tuesday, the anniversary of Trayvon Martin’s death. He was the unarmed Florida teen-ager killed with a handgun by a Neighborhood Watch volunteer.

“I appreciate my colleague, Sen. Jackson’s work on this issue,” said Sen. Vincent Fort, D-Atlanta. “We have worked shoulder to shoulder, leaning forward, to put this issue on the front burner.”

Fort was the first to sponsor gun-control legislation this session.

Despite Fort’s bill having been available since the opening day of the General Assembly, it has yet to get a committee hearing or come up for a vote in the Senate.

However, the House Public Safety & Homeland Security Committee has already held a hearing on four Republican bills introduced later that would relax various gun controls or allow school administrators to carry weapons.

Committee Chairman Alan Powell, R-Hartwell, has announced he will roll all of the GOP gun bills together into one package for the House to consider, including a recent addition that would permit legislators to take pistols to the Capitol.

That makes Jackson leery, even though he’s a hunter who espouses the right to own guns.

“We feel that arming legislators, arming teachers, will not stop people from using guns,” he said. “I wouldn’t want to sit in the General Assembly in a heated debate knowing people are carrying guns.”

Nevertheless, Jackson has faith that the addition of Obama’s group will tip the balance in the legislature. He said it will be involved in other issues in the future, including the environment and sponsoring a celebration next month on the anniversary of the federal health reform known as ObamaCare.

“Right now, Organizing for Action is 35 days old. It’s just started up,” said Richard McDaniel, the Georgia group’s director. “It’s in the beginning stages.”

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Fiat_Lux 02/25/13 - 10:54 am
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God help us

if we can't protect ourselves from people like Lester Jackson and those he represents after they decide we are no longer allowed to practice our faith publicly, educate our children privately and otherwise refuse to support the amoral, antisocial culture of death being pushed by American politics and public education.

These people are so stupid they actually believe taking away the ability of mature, responsible citizens--you know, the ones who pay for everything--to protect themselves and their families is the solution to dealing with the burgeoning population predatory beasts they have paid to have spawned over the last 60 or so years.

They totally trashed the wonderful public education system in this nation starting with a godless philosophy, which certainly has Mr. Dewey dancing in hell, and have fostered a culture that celebrates immaturity, irresponsibility, unaccountability, gluttony, dishonesty, murder of innocents and every kind of depravity.

And they truly believe they are progressive and humane.

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RunningMan 02/25/13 - 09:09 am
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Fait_Lux: "you know, the

Fait_Lux: "you know, the ones who pay for everything--is the solution to dealing with the burgeoning population predatory beasts they have paid to have spawned over the last 60 or so years." Why don't you get out of Augusta, and see that there are many, many more postive views moving this country forward instead of backward as you have indicated in your posting.

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rmwhitley 02/25/13 - 09:48 am
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can't control themselves but wish to dominate whites. Who said and proved Trayvon Martin was an innocent man? All the media shows are pictures of a 12 year old boy. Not a possible 17 year old thug.

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Jane18 02/25/13 - 10:16 am
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Look Who's Talking........

Two democrats, one from Savannah, and the other from Atlanta...oh brother! What are all those gang members, street thugs, low-life bums living off their mamas, grandmas, and girlfriends gonna think about all this "gun control" you two keep spewing? "Make no mistake", as long as those pieces of trash have got a weapon, yours truly is gonna have one(or two, or...)d(Did anyone catch my "make no mistake"?)

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Fiat_Lux 02/25/13 - 11:02 am
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Yeah, yeah, RunningMan

I have been out of Augusta, and out of the Southeast too, and it's less scary here than most other places.

There are a lot of positive things going on around here as well. But virtually none of it here or anywhere has anything to do with the current government regime. That is a culture of repression, regression and death. Whatever it touches becomes a great sucking hole for personal liberty, creativity, individuality and MONEY.

The Hon. Danny Craig knows exactly what he is talking about (see AC Sunday editorial page), and these two bozos are perfect examples of the kind of witless, self-important legislators that have pushed us relentlessly to the edge of the pit we presently stand facing down into.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 11:23 am
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I don't agree with banning anything really BUT...
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If you're so fearful of becoming a victim of armed mayhem that you feel the need to carry a firearm everywhere you go, you should probably just barricade yourself in your abode and leave the streets to those of us brave enough to go out unarmed.

“An armed society is a polite society.”?

Perhaps the two most polite societies on the planet are Japan and Great Britain. Both have strict gun regulation and few guns. Both have extremely low gun homicide rates.

The United States is gripped by lunacy. The lunacy of guns being more important than children. The lunacy of science being trumped by superstition. The lunacy of money and property being more important than people and the environment. It's long overdue that rational, sane Americans stand up and take responsibility. Allowing gun nuts, creationists, climate deniers and other assorted denizens of the fringes of rationality to run the country is not working.

An armed country isn't a polite country; it's a terrified country. Saying guns don't kill people, people do is tantamount to saying thalidomide doesn't deform babies chemists do. Thalidomide was taken off the market and babies were no longer born with no hands or feet. Countries that have taken guns off the street do not have mass killings - or even many single killings. The homicide by fire arm rate in Japan and Britain is astonishingly small. Mass killings have stopped in Australia since strict gun regulation was enacted. People have to have the courage to give up their guns.

Keeping them is an act of cowardice. It's telling that Nancy Lanza was killed with her own guns. Think of this as a metaphor for an entire society.

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Humble Angela 02/25/13 - 11:44 am
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"People have to have the courage to give up their guns.Keeping them is an act of cowardice."

I dare you to say that to the face of a Marine or U.S. Soldier. They will likely give you a lesson on the definition of cowardice.

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Fiat_Lux 02/25/13 - 11:56 am
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@WritingsOntheWall

First, you should look up the origins of your little moniker if you don't know where it comes from. You might be changing it.

Second, are you serious? Dude. In the UK, they don't use guns; they use knives on people and crush their skulls with bricks and bats. Do you honestly believe a father stands a chance in protecting his family from a band of thugs wielding knives and machetes and clubs without something like a gun to back them off? So far, those families just end up with dead bodies to bury.

The UK is not a safe place by any means, no matter how polite it is. As for Japan, any culture that homogeneous and wrapped in rigid traditions and expectations of it's young will have far less crime than a stew pot of vileness and sociopathy that characterizes so much of America today, especially urban America.

Facts should inform your idealism.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 12:04 pm
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There is NO SANE REASON why
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There is NO SANE REASON why private citizens should be running around with military style assault rifles and high capacity ammo clips. These things are designed for the sole purpose of killing large numbers of people with maximum efficiency and have no other practical use.

Instead of insuring public safety, our gun laws are designed to protect the profits of the gun industry and pander to a few gun nuts. This has to change.

Of course that being said I don't want a gun ban. I'd rather we strengthen our laws to make gun owners more responsible for their weapons.

Would gun control stop all gun violence? Of course not. But it absolutely would reduce it. No question. Seat belt laws reduce fatalities considerably. Helmet laws reduce brain traumas considerably. Requiring drivers to learn to drive to get a licence makes them better, safer drivers on average and reduces accidents. Not only should you be required to register your guns every year you should also have to pass a written and practice test, get liability insurance, own a safe where you keep your guns when not being used, have to report stolen weapons within 12 hours of the discovery of theft, pass a background check, pass a basic psych eval like they admin to law enforcement.

With freedom comes responsibility and if you can't handle the responsibility you don't deserve the freedom. If more parents taught this to their kids we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 12:05 pm
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By the way I own a .38, .45,
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By the way I own a .38, .45, and a couple of .22s. I have no qualms about keeping them properly registered and secure.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 12:08 pm
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In Switzerland every
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In Switzerland every able-bodied Swiss male has to serve 2 years in the army (females can volunteer but are not required to serve). Also, the Swiss government supplies the ammo to the citizens. Ammo is not allowed in civilian households. If conflict occurs the government will supply ammo cashes immediately and mobilize the citizens to action. The Swiss are trained efficiently in the proper use of firearms. They don't treat their guns like toys but with respect for lethal tools they are. They don't take guns for granted it is seen as a privilege.

If only we in the US could adapt that attitude.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 01:48 pm
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Seriously some of you guys live in an alternate parallel universe compared to where I live and if you think making gun owners responsible for their weapons is somehow an infringement of rights please go have your head examined.

Fact is some of you gun owners have proven yourselves not responsible with your rights time and time again.

That illegal gun market you guys like to whine about? Well legal gun owners contribute well over 500,000 weapons to it a year because they can't be bothered to secure their weapons from getting into the wrong hands. In some cases IE: Nancy Lanza they are irresponsible enough to allow people who shouldn't have access to guns access to them.

Also in quite a number of situations legal guns are legally purchased by a gun owner and then illegally sold to someone. So yes there needs to be oversight there. Columbine likely would not have happened if legal gun owners hadn't purchased the weapons for Klebold and Harris.

I can't count how many times I read or see news stories where young children get a hold of an unsecured gun and kill themselves or a sibling. Also not to mention parents accidently shooting and killing their kids because they think they're burglars...shoot first, ask questions later right?

I know people think I want a gun ban but I've never really asked for that as I realize in a real world it's not feasible. Don't get me wrong I won't lie to admitting I'd love to live in a perfect world where guns are eradicated but I know it's not going to happen. I do want harsher laws and stiffer penalties for irresponsible gun owners though. Not mention a gun registry. If we don't find some way to keep track of legal guns that'll just make the illegal market that much bigger.

Also I hate the attitude towards guns in this country. It only takes one jumpy, near-sighted, nervous-as-cat individual to shoot an innocent person by mistake. Despite what the NRA wants us to think, not everyone who carries a gun is a sharpshooter and has ice water in his (or her) veins.

And I'm not turning this into a gun control debate...just making a point here. Also comparing guns to anything else that may cause death whether it's cars, knives, etc.

"Tools are misused to kill people, it's true. But tools are meant for something else entirely. Tools build and fix and aid and improve. Firearms do not. If used correctly, a firearm is meant to, in an instant, kill or destroy something. If a gun is used incorrectly, it would actually mean that something doesn't get shot.

Again, I'm not saying we should outlaw guns. But the conversation can't progress if people keep using arguments that ignore what guns actually are, and what they are used for. Likening a gun to a match or recreational drugs or an icicle or [anything else that can cause death] is an attempt to lighten the weight of a firearm's actual purpose. Guns and [anything else] are not the same. They should not be discussed as though they are."

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Fiat_Lux 02/25/13 - 02:15 pm
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WOTW, Have you EVER read the 2nd Amendment?

If you had, you would see quite clearly that it is designed specifically to protect the people, ie, us, from (Ta Daaaa) a government that has abandoned the US Constitution.

What in the world would ever make you think it was a good idea to give every bit of control over our ability to protect ourselves to THE GOVERNMENT?

If the Swiss have such blind trust in their own government, well, good luck to 'em. Somehow, if someone bent on murder arrives at a Swiss farmhouse, it probably isn't all that reassuring for the farmer to know that the government has his ammunition.

You just can't be from around here. There's just too much leftist propaganda and liberal Kool Aid on the page. I simply can't get a good image of an adult who actually wants that kind of intrusive micro-control messing with their lives.

And, bottom line, just because you can't think of a sane reason anyone would need that type of gun and high volume magazines probably says far more about you than about the people who own them.

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Humble Angela 02/25/13 - 03:16 pm
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"There is NO SANE REASON why
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"There is NO SANE REASON why private citizens should be running around with military style assault rifles and high capacity ammo clips. "

There is NO SANE REASON why private citizens should be driving around in cars that have enough horsepower to exceed the speed limit.

"Would gun control stop all gun violence? Of course not. But it absolutely would reduce it. No question."

Been to Chicago lately?

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Humble Angela 02/25/13 - 03:17 pm
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"And I'm not turning this into a gun control debate...just making a point here."

Did you READ the article? It's about GUN CONTROL.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 03:33 pm
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Love how you both overlook
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Love how you both overlook the responsibility that comes with your rights. Why did you not address my very valid points of legal owners contributing to the the illegal market by not securing their weapons?

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 03:39 pm
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"Been to Chicago lately?"Do
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"Been to Chicago lately?"

Do you remember in the late 70s/early 80s when there seemed to be a rash of DUI related incidents? Do you remember what happened after groups like MADD campaigned and lobbied for better DUI laws? Unfortunately it did not prevent all incidents from occurring but it put a good dent in them.

You all seem to be saying "Unless the Proposed Reform works 100% of the time, why bother trying"? Again, this is an effective argument for cutting off all debate, as no solution will work all the time. Nothing is 100% effective, whether it is seatbelt laws or whatever. You can only try to improve the situation, not make things PERFECT. The NRA argument is that if you can't do something that is 100% effective you might as well NOT BOTHER TRYING. Makes sense, right? Unless something works all the time, why bother? But even if we could reduce the incidence of these types of crimes by 50% or even 10%, it would be worthwhile to do SOMETHING.

Even in countries with gun control laws, like the UK and Denmark, there are shootings. JUST NOT AS MANY.....Gun laws in Europe do work and the evidence of this is in the utter lack of significant gun crime there. Yes, they have crime there, but on a scale far, far smaller than in the USA. Isn't less crime a desirable thing?

"The mainstream media never reports how many crimes are thwarted by gun-carrying citizens! Why just the other day in Squirrel Hollow, a rapist was stopped by a man with a gun!"

The media doesn't report these stories as there are not that many of them. In terms of crime-stopping, people carrying handguns thwart a pathetically tiny fraction of crimes. Again, ancedotal evidence is not real evidence. It is just stories people tell each other like the stories about "voter fraud" the GOP likes to toss around. Besides for every gun toting hero story you show me I could show you a story where a parent shot his/her child dead thinking he/she was burglar or something similar.

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allhans 02/25/13 - 03:40 pm
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Where have these people been...black on black youth killing each other for years and nothing said.
This talk of banning guns is futile. It won't happen and we all know that. Obama throws these little tidbits out there to satisfy his supporters. He knows as well as we that guns aren't the problem.
Like gay marriage, $9.00 min wage. Come on. He is sucking you in, is anyone foolish enough to think the man is serious.
He changes his positions on these whimsy's with the wind.

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Humble Angela 02/25/13 - 03:43 pm
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"Why did you not address my
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"Why did you not address my very valid points of legal owners contributing to the the illegal market by not securing their weapons?"

I'll address it. You punish THEM....NOT all the other gun owners.

Now YOU address this. How fast is your car capable of going?

As for your insinuation that there is no voter fraud.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/19/ohio-poll-worker-obama-suppor...

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Humble Angela 02/25/13 - 04:32 pm
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Writingsonthewal stated "
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Writingsonthewal stated " Besides for every gun toting hero story you show me I could show you a story where a parent shot his/her child dead thinking he/she was burglar or something similar."

This should keep you busy. You now owe us over 500 examples of parents accidentally shooting their child. We'll be waiting.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/xcinfobase.asp?catid=43

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Humble Angela 02/25/13 - 04:12 pm
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"Do you remember in the late
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"Do you remember in the late 70s/early 80s when there seemed to be a rash of DUI related incidents? Do you remember what happened after groups like MADD campaigned and lobbied for better DUI laws? Unfortunately it did not prevent all incidents from occurring but it put a good dent in them."

Please tell me you aren't trying to say that Chicago's gun control laws have put a dent in the gun crime.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 06:21 pm
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Actually a lot of Chicago's
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Actually a lot of Chicago's problem isn't gun control is people like you who think continuing the war on drugs is worth it.

"This should keep you busy. You now owe us over 500 examples of parents accidentally shooting their child. We'll be waiting."

Yes because a website by gun owners for gun owners isn't going to be biased or misconstrue the data. Also I don't have time to go find 500 different articles but if you google things like "Father shoots burglar and finds out it was his son coming in late" or "2 year old kills self with unsecured gun" there will be thousands of results.

The odds of you being a victim of a violent crime are slim - despite what you see on the television (which is all crime shows, mostly). The odds that you will "twart" a crime with a gun of your own are infinitesimal.

That is the sum and substance of it, really, if you want to believe the real numbers. The NRA prefers instead to tout anecdotal evidence of robberies and other crimes thwarted by gun-toting citizens. The reality is, this rarely happens in real life.

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WritingsOnTheWall 02/25/13 - 06:24 pm
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It is not weird or odd to
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It is not weird or odd to have weapons if you are a hunter or a collector, or perhaps believe you need a gun for protection or for your job. It is a form of mental illness if you are hoarding firearms and ammunition for the "end times" or because you think the government needs to be overthrown. And increasingly, a larger and larger number of gun owners are falling into this second category - goaded and aided by conspiracy theory websites, television shows, and magazines.

The other day my massage therapist tells me a friend of his has bought 20,000 rounds of ammunition, "just in case". He is worried that maybe that might not be enough, and has set out to buy 40,000 more. This is a guy who has nothing saved for retirement - which is a pretty predictable event. But if we ever have a Bosnian-style civil war, he is set.

We have a two-pronged issue here. It is not merely a "gun problem" or a mental health problem. It is a combination of these two problems that is particularly deadly.

And while we can't guard against all such crimes, it certainly is worthwhile to so something to at least reduce the incidence of such occurrences. We can't stop them from occurring entirely, but like car wrecks, we can at least try to minimize the carnage.

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allhans 02/25/13 - 09:28 pm
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It's good to know that our

It's good to know that our neighbors are looking out for us. Together WE stand!

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walrus4ever 02/25/13 - 10:48 pm
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In regards to all of the

In regards to all of the above: Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The ban on military style semi-automatic weapons will not pass in Georgia or at the Federal level, nor will it pass in regards to magazines.

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walrus4ever 02/25/13 - 10:59 pm
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By the way, the term "assault

By the way, the term "assault rifle" that I hear everywhere actually originated during WWII. In Nazi Germany. By Adolf Hitler. Personally. Look it up.

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Humble Angela 02/26/13 - 08:11 am
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"Actually a lot of Chicago's problem isn't gun control is people like you who think continuing the war on drugs is worth it. "

Funny how you made this statement, Writingsonthewall, having no knowledge whatsoever about my stand on the so called war on drugs. You have therefore shown everyone that you have no problem making a post about something for which you have zero knowledge.

You also posted "Why did you not address my very valid points of legal owners contributing to the the illegal market by not securing their weapons?"
Well...I answered that question, then you failed to answer mine. Instead you dodge and change the subject.

You ALSO posted " Besides for every gun toting hero story you show me I could show you a story where a parent shot his/her child dead thinking he/she was burglar or something similar."
Well, I gave you 500 examples, so either you have 500 examples of a parent shooting their own child, or you weren't being truthful when you made the first statement. After all, it was YOU who said you could match the stories one to one, not me. And instead of attacking the source of the 500 stories, why not try to refute the facts in even one of them? Would that be so hard?

I do find it troubling that you and others see people who are prepared as being "mentally ill." It gives you even better justification to disarm the very people who are prepared to stop the government from disarming them if you successfully label them as mentally ill.

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