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'Regents' name continues to generate complaints

Calls, e-mails convey displeasure over name

Friday, Aug 31, 2012 8:08 AM
Last updated Friday, Sept. 7, 2012 3:23 PM
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ATLANTA — The number of complaints about the name for the merged Augusta State and Georgia Health Sciences universities continues to climb.

On Thursday, state officials in Atlanta reported that an additional 283 complaints wound up in Gov. Nathan Deal’s office and at the University System of Georgia in the past week.

The University System received 32 e-mails and one phone call.

“None of these express support for the name,” University System spokesman John Millsaps III said.

Deal’s office has logged 250 calls since Aug. 24, according to spokeswoman Stephanie Mayfield. With the messages received by Aug. 24, the total comes to 795 opposed to the name and three in support.

The outpouring of displeasure is over the decision Aug. 7 by the University System’s Board of Regents to give the new school the name Georgia Regents University.

Many Augusta residents want their city included in the new name, but members of the board said that might make people in other Georgia cities less likely to give financial support if they think it’s a community college.

What impact the complaints will have remains to be seen.

Deal hasn’t given any indication that he plans to ask the board to reconsider the name.

Regent University, a Virginia school founded by televangelist Pat Robertson, notified the board that it will sue the state of Georgia on charges of violating its trademark.

Nevertheless, Ben Tarbutton III, the chairman of the Board of Regents, said in a statement to The Augusta Chronicle that the decision is final.

The board’s attorneys said they believe the name “regent” is too general for trademark protection.

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nnaugusta
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nnaugusta 08/31/12 - 01:14 pm
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Ole Ben and Ricardo are

Ole Ben and Ricardo are going to get their azziz handed to them when Pat Robertson's crew gets done. We are going to see who is smarter, regular folk or someone who thinks they are smarter and above the law. Can we pelase have a photographer present to capture the look on their faces when they realize they have to change the name afterall..!

noway
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noway 08/31/12 - 08:47 am
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where did this come from?

"but members of the board said that might make people in other Georgia cities less likely to give financial support to a university if they think it’s a community college." WHAT? and other cities will give financial support to GRU? Are you kidding me? That's not why they named it GRU!! and the national, regional, state and local test markets stated that U of Augusta was the best name - it was prestigious, innovative, etc. They are making up things now...Look at the survey! Remember the survey GHSU paid $45,500 for? Look at the data. That's all the BOR needs to name the university properly. Stop the madness!

rmwardsr
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rmwardsr 08/31/12 - 08:49 am
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Ricardo must know something

Ricardo must know something about the BOR that we don't know. They have certainly cowtowed to all his wants and desires. It's almost like Ricardo is the mafia boss and they are his underlings. If Nathan Deal is interested in a second term, he needs to flex some muscle from the governor's office, or he will be joining Obama in the unemployment line. I

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 08/31/12 - 09:30 am
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Is it time for a new person?

First a few links for the deeper readers

Georgia Regent Bylaws:
http://www.usg.edu/regents/bylaws

Ga. Regents Policy Manual:
http://www.usg.edu/policymanual/section2/policy/C311

Which indicates
2.3 Performance Assessment of Presidents
It is the intent of the Board of Regents that evaluation of the presidents shall be an ongoing process, which consists of open communication between the Chancellor or the president’s supervisor and the president on both individual and institutional goals and objectives, as well as on the methods and processes used to achieve them.

Because, several of the Ga. Regents have admitted the AZZIZ made the Naming decision prior to their vote.

Plus Azziz while doing so, hid vital information and data from the Ga. regents.

Questions become: has he committed a Violations of Official Policy against the College or the Regents? Has he lost the professional trust of the Student Body, College board members and the community? Plus misuse of $45K college funds wasted. These all have to count for in favor removal from office.

May I also suggest an additional simple and easy course of action in addition to the Calls to the Governors office?

Send Emails to:
Vice Chancellor Burns Newsome, Secretary to the Board
270 Washington Street, S.W.
Atlanta, Georgia 30334
Email: usg-legal@usg.edu
Email the Governor's office
http://gov.georgia.gov/00/gov/contact_us/0,2657,78006749_94820188,00.html

Rob Pavey
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Rob Pavey 08/31/12 - 09:12 am
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I hope Deal and Tarbutton read the new Golf Week piece.....

...so they can see that this issue is annoying plenty of folks outside of Augusta, and in places far beyond Georgia. Now I'm wondering if Pat Robertson's Regent University has a golf team.

spotted_assassin
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spotted_assassin 08/31/12 - 09:13 am
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I'VE CALLED…HAVE YOU YET? 250

I'VE CALLED…HAVE YOU YET?

250 calls and nearly 800 messages is far from an outpour!
I'm sure if more people in the area have the contact info to voice their displeasure, then they would.
…so here you go! Maybe this may up the count a little more!

How Do I Contact Governor Deal's Office?
http://gov.georgia.gov/00/channel_title/0,2094,165937316_166426501,00.html

Contact the Governor Form
http://gov.georgia.gov/00/gov/contact_us/0,2657,165937316_166563415,00.html

just an opinion
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just an opinion 08/31/12 - 10:23 am
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Send your $ to Pat Robinson at Regent Univ to help fund the suit

Instead of the ASU fundraiser. Crazy I know, but we have to fight ourselves. Dr. Azziz: Can we compromise and just name it Ga. Arts & Sciences Univ.? It was one of the top 3 choices.

slowpitch
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slowpitch 08/31/12 - 10:23 am
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called Deal's office

they aren't taking individual's names for a formal reply to constituents, but said they were keeping a tally.

The friendly employee on the phone instead urged me to "hound" (her words) the Board of Regents, 404-656-6050

soapy_725
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soapy_725 08/31/12 - 11:02 am
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If they could just find a replacement for
Unpublished

Azziz named Joan. Then the university could be called Joan of ARC University. Perhaps a saint could bring some class and Augusta would be in the name.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 08/31/12 - 11:04 am
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Money can change the name.
Unpublished

The largest and most sensitive nerve in the human body is behind the wallet. Boycott with your dollars.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 08/31/12 - 11:05 am
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Money moved the Southern Baptist.
Unpublished

All the while singing,"we shall not be moved".

rmwardsr
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rmwardsr 08/31/12 - 11:53 am
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I just placed a call to

I just placed a call to 404-656-6050 and no one picked up. Could it be, slowpitch, that she was just giving you the old heave ho?

chris mercer
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chris mercer 08/31/12 - 11:59 am
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AZZIZ,Break out your checkbook

AZZIZ,
After the uproar you have caused with this name change did you actually think the people from "AUGUSTA" would give there money ....

Dixieman
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Dixieman 08/31/12 - 01:30 pm
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Not Deal

Get on our local legislative delegation to introduce a bill and PASS A LAW renaming the school as soon as the General Assembly is back in session!!

NrthAugustaSam
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NrthAugustaSam 08/31/12 - 02:42 pm
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Call the Governor

@ rmwardsr: The number is (404) 656-1776
Let's light up those phone lines this afternoon!

v4vendetta
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v4vendetta 08/31/12 - 03:48 pm
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Need to forget about Augusta

There has been much anger, turmoil, discussion, and even protestation over the name change to Georgia Regents University. Nearly all Augustans are convinced that a name change of the University should include ‘Augusta’ in it, including the Augusta State University student body/faculty/staff, who wish to keep their name.

More recently, it has been suggested that the comments of Ricardo Azziz are an insult to Augusta State, for calling ASU one of the worst institutions for success rate. Let’s inspect the numbers.

Why shouldn’t we keep Augusta in the name?
Augusta State University has a 6.9 % graduation rate in 4 years (source collegeresults.org, link http://www.collegeresults.org/collegeprofile.aspx?institutionid=138983).

6.9%!!! This is an appalling number!!! Shocking!!! Indeed, Augusta State is one of the worst schools for success.

On the bright side, six-year graduation improves at Augusta State to a whopping 24.5%. Don’t get excited—it still ain’t good. If compared to all schools reporting 6-year graduation rates in this database, Augusta State is number 1745 down the list out of the other 2040 schools, putting it in the bottom 15%. That means 85% of schools have a better graduate rate nationally!!!! Paine College indeed has a better graduation rate at both 4 years and 6 years relative to Augusta State University. This is not mediocrity, but a blatantly poor academics.

Where does Augusta State graduation rank among Georgia State schools? A comparison of 6-year graduation rates of 18 Georgia Schools reveals ASU is 15 out of 18 only surpassing the powerhouses of Dalton, Clayton, State, and Macon State, putting it in the bottom 17 %. In a comparison of 57 state and private schools of Georgia, ASU lands at the lowly bottom 25% of schools…75% of all schools in Georgia boast a better graduation rate!!!

One explanation might be that Augusta State serves as a launching platform to attend other colleges/universities? Unfortunately this is not the case--with only 13.3% transferring (source collegeresults.org), a low graduate rate cannot be rationalized as caused by transfer and graduation to other schools.

Is ASU unsuccessful? The numbers seem to prove it. Perhaps it’s time to realize that the ‘Augusta’ University ‘brand’ is not one to aspire to…..

It should be noted that this does not reflect master’s programs, but only the undergraduate bachelor’s degree.

crackertroy
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crackertroy 08/31/12 - 04:09 pm
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v4vendetta
Unpublished

What does the graduation rate communicate?

If Augusta State were interested in graduation rates, it would be very easy to improve. Public schools even have measures for improving their graduation rate and half the students don't even want to go there: How much easier would it be to improve the "graduation rate" at a college?

William Bloodworth addressed this issue not long ago when asked about the poor "graduation rate" and I think he said it best, "We could easily improve our graduation rate: We could lower our standards, give passing scores to more students, and dumb down the curriculum to make it easier. The graduation rate would improve but what would your education mean if it were easy to attain."

Now, those aren't Bloodworth's exact words but it's pretty much what he said and I totally agree. What good is it to graduate college, $40K in debt, with a degree that means nothing?

v4vendetta
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v4vendetta 08/31/12 - 05:30 pm
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to cracker

look at the list .... any school worth anything has a graduation rate above 50%....6.9 % graduate in 4 years....

graduation rate means everything. good schools have at least 60% graduation rate. look at the class of schools that are in the realm of ASU.

Lower ASU standards? really, is that possible??? Look at the average sat scores at ASU. below 1000. that's pathetic. the problem is they won't draw students that will graduate with these low stringent standards. hope for ASU is in the merger....

really, college degree means nothing? why are you talking about colleges if you haven't gone?

AugustaProf
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AugustaProf 08/31/12 - 07:25 pm
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Graduation Rates

Really, vendetta? Low graduation rates reflect poor "academics"? The rates are reflective of our mission--dictated to us long ago by the BOR. We're a commuter campus with a mission to service the local community (identical in fact to the missons of Dalton, Clayton, and Macon). Our mission dictates our acceptance criteria. Our mission dictates the reality that the majority of recorded transfers are our most "traditional" students who will likely graduate in a timely fashion. The numbers that we report (presumably the same ones you are basing your argument on) do NOT reflect the transfers to colleges outside of Georgia or students that take breaks between schools--not insignificant and larger here due to Fort Gordon both due to base transfers and deployments. The numbers do NOT reflect the traditional students who transfer IN to ASU and graduate in a timely fashion--again somewhat higher than average due to the transient nature of our military students. The numbers do not reflect the reality that most non-traditional students (part-timers) must necessarily graduate in an extended time frame. And they sure as heck don't reflect the quality of instruction or the individual attention given to our students.

Your focus on a single statistic is unfortunate. Your assumption that this one statistic is a measure of academic quality is seriously flawed. You also misunderstood Dr. Bloodworth's remarks. He said that there were two simple solutions to the problem--raise entrance standards or lower the academic standards required to pass courses and obtain a degree. We were unable to do the former and unwilling to do the latter, a positive reflection of the quality of our "academics." You also completely misread Cracker's statement regarding the value of a college degree. :/

Our mission will soon change. Over time our admission standards will necessarily increase (though it is hoped we will still be able to adequately service this community). Over time we will be able to attract and retain more traditional students. As a result, over time our 4- and 6-year graduation rates will climb. And rest assured it will NOT be because we dropped Augusta from our name or because we suddenly upped the quality of our "academics."

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 09/01/12 - 07:24 am
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Graduation Rates at AC

If you have ever taken English 101 at AC you quickly understand why.
If ever a class course needed to be overhauled and brought into line with other colleges this is the one. For decades students have commented the class was designed to place students on probation quickly. In fact at one point more students took and passed English 101 at GMC at Ft. Gordon in the 1980's, than at AC.

wordwright
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wordwright 09/01/12 - 09:05 am
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ENGL 1101 at ASU

OpenCurtain--your comments indicate that ASU has standards. I can see why you may have had problems passing the class. Never learned that a comma follows a dependent clause, did you? You have a number of other mistakes: class course--redundancy and no commas after transitional phrases. Since the most common mode of communication between employees is e-mail, all employees need to be able to write a grammatically correct sentence. Otherwise, communication is compromised and misunderstandings are common. Thank you, ASU, for teaching me to write.

The graduation rate does not reflect all the military who attend ASU for a year and move on because they are transferred. Nor does it reflect all the non-traditional students--working people and mothers--who earn degrees by taking a couple of classes each semester. All statistics need to be examined carefully.

The BOR has new guidelines for colleges that will up the RPG--retention, progression, and graduation rates. Yep, look for grade inflation--it's coming to colleges now.

So, employers, give ALL of your potential employees a writing test--the success and reputation of your company depend on the ability of your employees to communicate with each other and the public. Plus, hiring competent writers will prevent the type of message that once went out to a number of people at my large company with many branches, informing them of the passing of a long-time customer: "Mr. Smith [name changed to protect all involved] pasted away yesterday." I guess the poor man ran out of glue--made for a great laugh around the office and one very embarrassed employee anyway. By the way, that person no longer works for said company.

Ruckus
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Ruckus 09/01/12 - 09:29 am
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Regent University, a Virginia school founded by televangelist

Regent University, a Virginia school founded by televangelist Pat Robertson, This why the decision was made because of a crook....

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/01/12 - 09:40 am
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Lawsuit

From the story:

Regent University, a Virginia school founded by televangelist Pat Robertson, notified the board that it will sue the state of Georgia on charges of violating its trademark. . . . The board’s attorneys said they believe the name “regent” is too general for trademark protection.

Hah. In Apple's recent court victory over Samsung, one of the issues in which the court supported Apple was the idea that Apple's iPhone was rectangular, and thus, Samsung's rectangular shape was a patent infringement. If rectangular shape can be patented, then Regent can be trademarked.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/01/12 - 09:58 am
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Acceptance Criteria

AugustaProf posted:

Low graduation rates reflect poor "academics"? The rates are reflective of our mission--dictated to us long ago by the BOR. We're a commuter campus with a mission to service the local community (identical in fact to the missons of Dalton, Clayton, and Macon). Our mission dictates our acceptance criteria.

Hmmm, I never considered this when I posted a couple of days ago that ASU could improve its graduation rate by raising its admission standards. I never knew that the Board of Regents sets the admission criteria of the schools by giving the schools "missions." It has been hinted by Azziz that the merged university will become a "top tier research university" and, thus, will be placed into the same category as UGA and Ga. Tech. Can we really believe him? He wasn't truthful about where the GRU name came from. I'm not sure he will be truthful about the mission of the undergraduate school.

v4vendetta
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v4vendetta 09/01/12 - 10:44 am
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if you read my post about transfers, transfers don't explain it

If you read my original post....

One explanation might be that Augusta State serves as a launching platform to attend other colleges/universities? Unfortunately this is not the case--with only 13.3% transferring (source collegeresults.org), a low graduate rate cannot be rationalized as caused by transfer and graduation to other schools.

crackertroy
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crackertroy 09/01/12 - 07:06 pm
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v4 vendetta
Unpublished

If you're still reading this, I agree with AugustaProf. I actually have three college degrees -all from ASU. I work with a lot of people who graduated from institutions with graduation rates much higher than ASU's graduation rate. I make more money than most of them and the skills and education I received at ASU is not inferior to anyone who graduated from a "graduation rate" university.

The point of my statement was this: why pay thousands and thousands of dollars more to go to a graduation factory with (in my opinion) lower standards than ASU when you can go to ASU where most of the professors, at some point, taught at a "graduation rate" university and the tuition is so much lower at ASU.

All that to say, I still say the graduation rate means nothing for ASU. ASU is not for the Senator's son on a full scholarship and daddy's credit card. ASU is for people like me, raised in a trailer in south Augusta, the first in my entire family to go to college, where I always worked at least one job while taking classes full time and at one point, I worked four different part-time jobs (and took classes) to complete my degrees.

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