Ga. Senate to require 'personal growth' classes for food stamps

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ATLANTA -- A divided Senate endorsed Wednesday requiring people on food stamps to take “personal growth” courses such as job training or completion of their education.

The sponsor of Senate Bill 312, Sen. William Ligon, R-Brunswick, noted that one-third of the people getting food stamps never finished high school and that the federal law establishing the food stamp program includes the training requirement. Georgia hasn’t enforced it because then-Gov. Sonny Perdue won a waiver from Washington.

Those working 30 hours per week, on unemployment or disabled would be exempt.

The vote was 40-14. Democrats opposed to the bill warned that it would create more problems than it solved.

Ligon didn’t buy their logic.

“You’re assuming that asking someone to improve themselves to become self-sustaining is not a good thing,” he said.

But Sen. Horacena Tate, D-Atlanta, warned that it would be bothersome for people already struggling.

“If you were experiencing hard times, if you were doing the best that you can, I don’t think you would like having 56 senators telling you (that) you have to get training,” she said. “... This is an insult to all Georgians who have worked terribly hard to do for themselves.”

Sen. Gloria Butler, D-Stone Mountain, said she would have been frustrated by the requirement when she was on welfare and food stamps in 1977 as the mother of two children who couldn’t find a job after moving from Florida.

“If I had been told that I had to go through professional development (as a college graduate), I would have been totally devastated by that,” she said. “I needed money for food. I needed money for gas to even get to the office to apply for that.”

Others objected to the $772 million estimated cost. But Ligon said half of that would be paid by the federal government and that if the training succeeded in reducing the food stamp rolls, savings would result.

Ligon’s proposal got reduced in committee to a five-county trial rather than a statewide program. That also reduced the projected cost to $25 million.

Now the bill moves to the House for its consideration.

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Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/07/12 - 05:48 pm
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Taxpayers will be forced to

Taxpayers will be forced to pay for curriculum development, consultants, hiring staff, staff fringe benefits, rental of training facilities, materials, computers, cleaning crew payments, and on and on.

This is another state bureaucracy being set up for a federal program.

wondersnevercease
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wondersnevercease 03/07/12 - 05:57 pm
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“You’re assuming that asking
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“You’re assuming that asking someone to improve themselves to become self-sustaining is not a good thing,” he said.
But Sen. Horacena Tate, D-Atlanta, warned that it would be bothersome for people already struggling."

So lets just assume that these folks are lazy and stupid and unable to learn or earn a living for themselves...sort of like slaves on the Gov. plantation huh..Mrs. Tate?

csraguy
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csraguy 03/07/12 - 06:34 pm
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“If you were experiencing

“If you were experiencing hard times, if you were doing the best that you can, I don’t think you would like having 56 senators telling you (that) you have to get training,” she said. “... This is an insult to all Georgians who have worked terribly hard to do for themselves.”

The real insult is that people are being given something for nothing from those who work hard for what they earn. I agree with helping people and educating them is helping them but if we continue to feed them and provide them shelter, etc. as well as govt. issued cell phones then we are only enabling them to become slaves of the government.

Everyone deserves a chance in America but no one deserves to live off of what is earned and worked for by others.

boredinaug
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boredinaug 03/07/12 - 06:45 pm
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Perhaps the program might

Perhaps the program might have been better received if targeted towards those who have been receiving food stamps for an extended period of time. For many people, they are TEMPORARY (as they should be in my opinion)-it wouldn't make sense to have people who were only receiving them for a few month/weeks due to a financial set back ,etc. to be required to attend these classes. However, those who have been receiving food stamps for YEARS on end...now there's your target audience. Obviously, if you are working 30 hours a week, receiving unemployment (looking for work), or disabled...you should be exempt. Otherwise, it's no harder to attend a self help class than it is to go to the grocery store and spend taxpayer money on groceries.

KSL
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KSL 03/07/12 - 07:51 pm
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I get really tired of hearing

I get really tired of hearing the sob stories from single moms who won't or don't or can't make the father of the children pay his fair share. Go after the deadbeat parents.

KSL
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KSL 03/07/12 - 07:52 pm
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Sen. Butler, it's obvious

Sen. Butler, it's obvious that your college degree wasn't worth much if you could not find any type of job.

lovingthesouth72
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lovingthesouth72 03/07/12 - 08:02 pm
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Let's start with random drug

Let's start with random drug screening tests. If you are on drugs, you should not be receiving government assistance. Period. This will teach them what the standards are for the workplace as well.

KSL
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KSL 03/07/12 - 08:11 pm
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Check this winner (LOSER)

Check this winner (LOSER) out. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/michigan-woman-still-collecting-foo...

I feel soooo sorry for her, NOT. She disgusts me.

KSL
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KSL 03/07/12 - 08:12 pm
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She ought to have to pay back

She ought to have to pay back with interest the value of what she collected post winning.

debbiep38
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debbiep38 03/07/12 - 10:11 pm
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bothersome
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bothersome

double_standard
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double_standard 03/07/12 - 10:37 pm
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KSL there's not outrage

KSL there's not outrage because she not the Regan image of a "Welfare Queen"

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 12:25 am
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boredinaug I think you are
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boredinaug I think you are right. Some people fall on hard times for different reasons but use the system as intended a hand up to fill the gap, especially since they are normally tax payers too for a lifetime so they deserve a little help in time of need. I also think anyone who has been on them for years and years not working and having more and more kids (the majority of which lie about they dont know the daddy) should stop receiving any gov't assistance or get fixed so they can't keep making more dependants.

specsta
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specsta 03/08/12 - 12:32 am
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KSL wrote - "I get really

KSL wrote - "I get really tired of hearing the sob stories from single moms who won't or don't or can't make the father of the children pay his fair share."

Ummm...you do realize that many of the "deadbeat" parents you refer to are mothers that don't pay their court-ordered child support? In fact, it is well-known in legal circles that women usually don't pay the child support they are supposed to pay when the father has custody.

specsta
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specsta 03/08/12 - 12:35 am
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This bill is just more

This bill is just more evidence that Republicans are the meanest and greediest folks in this country. It is humiliating enough to be in a position to have to use food stamps, but to jump through hoops in order to eat or feed your children is just cruel.

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 12:40 am
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Actually double standard
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Actually double standard there is outrage read the comments on those. They are now looking in to changing that rule. What do you mean there is no outrage?? You mean riots and protests or threats of them claiming racism like anytime the government tries to cut off nonworking baby factories who make living off the government a career? What do you mean no outrage, define the outrage you expect should happen?

I do however wonder why why it is taking so long since the first time the bill to end this nonsense was done after that man in 2010 won 2 million and kept food stamps. Also funny how both these losers were from michigan it seems.

But if you want to play the race card, funny how they are trying to pass a bill stopping lotto winners from collecting yet wont pass any other bills to stop people they know scamming the system refusing to work but having 6-10 kids and living their whole life off of taxpayers. The 2 lotto winners were white, maybe that has something to do with it.....hmmmmm

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 12:54 am
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Specsta, did you read my post

Specsta, did you read my post with comprehension? Did I not refer to tdeadbeat parents? I singled out single moms because you seldom hear os single dads whining.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 12:48 am
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What is cruel is having

What is cruel is having children before you can afford them just because you can at the expense of taxpayers who are working hard to provide for their own families.

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 12:49 am
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specsta, I think, and I am
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specsta, I think, and I am pretty sure she would agree and acknowledge you are correct about the deadbeat mom's, but you have to admit, its not the dads day after day doing the majority of the whining and sucking up all the free benefits, they usually buck up, get to work and do what they have to do. Also, most of the moms claim they dont know the daddy to get more benefits. A dad can not play that card!!! lmaoooooo

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 12:51 am
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Sorry was a little late, she
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Sorry was a little late, she responded already, I'm a slow typer! Haha But I did throw in the can't play the dont know the mama card... you gotta agree right KSL??? lmaoooo

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 12:56 am
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Also specsta it is
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Also specsta it is humiliating, but only to those who have pride and work for a living. People who live off the system do not find it humiliating and they are only proud of the fact they know how to work the system to not have to work. Otherwise they wouldn't have kid after kid after already living off the system for their whole life. It never crossed their mind to wait to have that next kid until they are off the dole and working to support themselves. =)

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 12:57 am
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Right, ga. I am typing on a

Right, ga. I am typing on a tablet. Hard to see and correct.

specsta
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specsta 03/08/12 - 02:01 am
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There a lot of folks on food

There a lot of folks on food stamps right now that never imagined they would find themselves in that position. Most have lost jobs due to layoffs and due to companies going out of business. Some have major medical needs and there is no money left over. Food stamps provide necessary help.

I personally know of several individuals/families who are well-educated and had good jobs - and found themselves foreclosed on or unable to pay rent - and now need food stamps. They never imagined in a million years it would happen to them. It could happen to any one of us.

Don't be so quick to judge and think you are superior to someone else just because you think someone is getting an "entitlement" they didn't earn. Every day of our lives we all have entitlements that we didn't earn. If you own a car and get on a roadway, you are accessing a "entitlement" (a paved road) that you neither built or maintained. When you go the grocery store, you experience the benefits of cargo ships and railways and trucks that brought the food to a convenient place for you to purchase. We all receive benefits we didn't earn.

This whole warped mentality of "keeping what's mine" and to heck with everybody else has to stop. We all live on this planet together and should help each other.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 02:52 am
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Is your statement opinion, or

Is your statement opinion, or can you back it up.

Specsta, if we are paying for gas, if we are paying for groceries, we participated in the right to those benefits you mentioned. Now if you have sat on your rear end, a welfare queen all of your life, you didn't earn those benefits.

Besides, we are not talking about the people who find themselves temporarily out of work. You did notice that the article said that one third of the food stamp recipients dropped out of high school and haven't gotten a GED. One third made bad decisions. Wonder how many of them are second and third generation welfare recipients? You and I will always argue this point, but then I did come along when birth control was almost non existent and for some reason, there were so very few unwed mothers. Go figure.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 02:53 am
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I agree about helping each

I agree about helping each other. Now get the folks living in public housing to do just that.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 02:55 am
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I recently had clients who

I recently had clients who both lost their jobs and their home to foreclosure 3 years ago. Guess what, they have bounced back, straightened out their credit and are moving forward to the extent that they just closed on a house.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 03:04 am
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Oh, and Spec, what needs to

Oh, and Spec, what needs to stop is 49% of Americans paying no Federal income taxes.

Published by the Heritage Foundation, Feb 8, 2012. I'm not posting the entire document.

• Chart 1: 49.5% of all Americans don’t pay income taxes (vs. 28% in 1990)
• Chart 2: 70% of Federal spending goes to dependence programs (vs. 48.5% in 1990)
• Chart 3: There has been a 42% increase in federal housing assistance from 2006 to 2010
• Chart 4: There has been a 138% increase in Medicare costs in 2005 dollars from 1999 to 2010; the figure for Medicaid during this period is 148%
• Chart 5: Welfare and low-income health care assistance has grown from $410billion in 1999 to $1,137billion in 2010, a 177% increase (all in 2005 dollars)
• Chart 9: “Farm subsidies have become one of America’s largest corporate welfare programs.”
• Chart 10: Using 1980 as a base year (100), the level of dependency on government reached 294 by the end of 2010.
• Chart 12: 21.8% of the total US population (excluding government employees) are now dependent on government for their income; this number increases to 29.5% when state and federal employees are included. This translates, in Chart 14, to the fact that 91 million Americans are dependent on state and federal government for their incomes.
• Chart 13: For the first time, in 2010, Federal Government dependence spending exceeded disposable income of all Americans

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 03:47 am
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wow negatives on the posts
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wow negatives on the posts about people intentionally living off of taxpayers and breeding. lol I wonder where people get that kind of chutzpah to think they are entitled to have others pay for them and their kids just for the sole reason they are to lazy to work. Nothing less than straight criminal IMO and one by one I hope they all get nailed eventually.

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 03:51 am
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GaStang22, specs needs to

GaStang22, specs needs to read my post under " Our Values Under Assault."

KSL
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KSL 03/08/12 - 03:57 am
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And 2 people think it's okay

And 2 people think it's okay to have children before you can afford them! Oh, and I am a product of a married couple having a child before they could afford one. My father was back in college after WW11, married before he went over seas. Considering the birth control options available, well that does explain the beginning of the baby boomers, doesn't it. Between the GI bill and the generosity of two grandfathers, I lacked for nothing, so I am told. But then way back then, families took care of their own, not the government.

GaStang22
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GaStang22 03/08/12 - 04:03 am
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specsta the people you talk
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specsta the people you talk about on them who never imagined it is not what we are referring to. Its the ones who intentionally plan to do it. Neither one of us said keep whats ours to heck with everyone else. We want to help those who fall on hard times, thats what the system is supposed to do, its not a career. Obviously you haven't been around those thieves very much. Yes we all get entitlements we didn't earn, thats called luck, good will etc.... when you scam to get it, thats stealing. Those people are taking away from others who need it also with their scamming. I know so many people who want and need medical help to continue to work and pay into the system that helps this great country go round and can't get it so have to live in pain and misery every day making less than they could if they could just get a little one time help to continue to work another 20 or 30 years but can't get it, but refuse to work get your medical free. That same working person has to eat ramen and hot dogs while someone refusing to work eats steak and lobster. You think thats right??? Really?

And you comment about the paved roads and the cargo..... uhmmm nooo tax money we paid contributed to those roads, the profit made and the taxes on the items we bought help pay for those cargos etc.... Bad example man.

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