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Investigation into Greenbrier soccer trip continues

Friday, March 22, 2013 8:04 PM
Last updated Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:03 AM
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Some of the Greenbrier High boys soccer players kicked off the team for drinking on a school-sponsored trip are balking at the suspensions, voicing their reactions on a social networking site that helped get them in trouble.

One suspended player posted to Twitter on Thursday: “all these ‘anonymous’ parents need to get a ... life and stop commenting on the articles. Big deal we went to an island and had fun.”

He later posted, “This is so stupid. Blowing this whole thing out of proportion. I have zero respect for greenbrier administration anymore.”

The same student also posted that he doesn’t blame anyone else for the incident: “Its not coach warren or coach balls fault were all held accountable for our decisions.”

Another student posted, “People act like the people who did wrong at jekyll are the worst people ever, i do believe ive seen all of yall drunk before.”

Eighteen players were suspended this week over an incident that happened while on Jekyll Island for a tournament March 14-16. The drinking reportedly took place mainly in hotel rooms. Two of the players admitted to smoking Spice, which is synthetic marijuana Columbia County school Superintendent Charles Nagle said during a news conference Thursday.

The incident came to the attention of administrators through posts on a Twitter account, and the school safety officer started looking into related social media posts.

The players were suspended for 10 days pending a school disciplinary hearing, which should be next week. Nagle said the system would allow any of them waiving a hearing to begin attending the alternative school Monday.

Columbia County Sheriff’s Office personnel are looking into how the students obtained the alcohol and drugs.

“The school is handling the students, and we will continue our investigation on who supplied the contraband items,” sheriff’s Maj. Rick Whitaker said Friday.

The suspensions put a damper on Class AAAAA’s No. 2-ranked Wolfpack (7-0-2), who are scheduled to play host to No. 1-ranked McIntosh (12-0) on Saturday at 4 p.m. Junior varsity players are expected to move up to fill out the varsity roster.

“These kids that put on the soccer uniform Saturday and Tuesday will put it on and wear it with pride,” Green­brier Athletic Director Garrett Black said.

The Wolfpack can clinch first place in Region 2A-AAAAA with a win in one of its next two region games against Lakeside or Grovetown.

“People can say what they want to say, but Greenbrier High School is a great school,” Black said. “We have great kids. We have great coaches, great teachers, great administrators. There are so many positives that happened every single day in our high school. And I’m proud to be a part of Greenbrier High School.”

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justputtin
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justputtin 03/22/13 - 09:27 pm
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Time to fight

If I had a son on that soccer team that got in trouble and was innocent I would have a field day with that administration. I hope these parents stand up to this. The kids were threatened and intimidated to sign statements before parents or adults could be brought in and told they would face more serious charges if they didn't sign. This is devious and underhanded to intimidate these kids. All of these kids are not guilty but all were suspended. They are guilty until proven innocent. What a crock. Now the parents are being told by school officials that it won't do any good to hire legal representation. Some of these parents have deep pockets. I hope they use them to hire a good attorney as one of many ways to fight this.

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 03/22/13 - 09:40 pm
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Nagle and the principal do

Nagle and the principal do come across as a couple of tools. "Hey kids, sign these statements admitting guilt and we'll go easier on you"
"Why, you ask"?
"So our job will will be easier as we won't have to prove anything".

woodymeister
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woodymeister 03/22/13 - 09:48 pm
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Really?

Many of the comments on this topic have made light of the situation...boys just being boys. I have to ask, if one of these boys was drinking on this trip, walked out of his hotel room, and walked in front of a car and died - What the parents say then? My guess is that they would want to sue the school, the coach, BOE, and anyone else who might be liable. The boys made a mistake, and life's lessons are sometimes hard to swallow. They will all be better for it later in life.

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thauch12 03/22/13 - 10:17 pm
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^except that didn't happen^

If something bad happened, this would be an entirely different matter. However, the fact of the matter is that nothing terrible transpired on this trip aside from a few young men making some stupid decisions that in the end harmed noone.

I'm not saying they should be let off the hook because they shouldn't, but this is a matter for parents to take care of, not school administrators. For students who have are in trouble for the first time, this is entirely too much. Can anyone seriously justify sending these kids to alternative school (where they will be among the county's worst) for something this silly, especially considering there is no record of anything like this happening before?

And if these reports that these KIDS (because let's be real that is what they are) were coerced into signing something that they did not know the full legal ramifications of, that is absolutely unacceptable. There is no sense in ruining the lives of 18 kids just to "seem tough."

I'm Back Again
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I'm Back Again 03/22/13 - 10:35 pm
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Whatever happened to kids
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Whatever happened to kids going on a school trip and getting in a little trouble? When they came home they detention for a few days and that was it. Nowadays, in Columbia County, if you so much as fart too loud this administration suspends you for 10 days and throws you in alternative school for 6 months.
It's the most ridiculous crock of crap I have ever heard of. And no these kids are not mine. I'm just sick of the punishment not fitting the crime. Some kids drank beer on a trip. Whip tee doo!

DamnYankee
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DamnYankee 03/22/13 - 10:37 pm
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Chaperones?

Were there any chaperones? I find it hard to believe that 25 boys in roughly 6 rooms didn't have any adults around? If something had happened the BOE would be looking pretty bad right now. I know if I (as an adult) were responsible for 25 high school boys - I would sure to have an idea of what's going on. I am sorry but I would think that a coach of a top notch team would have a better handle on his team for tournament play.

I don't understand why kids must forfeit their constitutional rights because they attend a public school. That is pure BS in my opinion. My kids have been told relentlessly don't give up the rights the Constitution gives you. Let's see I think the Miranda warnings are required because of "forcing" someone to confess. It's too bad that the kids were bullied by the administration, and that's how I see it.

These boys made a mistake - no denying that. Decisions have consequences, but just the way this has played out with the administration being hard handed(coerced) and the coach(es) seemingly "knowing" nothing smells rotten. Let these kids learn from their bad decision making and don't make a mountain out of a mole hill!

DarkKnight
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DarkKnight 03/22/13 - 10:59 pm
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Do the Crime Do the Time

I'm sorry, but the kids got themselves into the mess. It was not right to have them sign anything; that's for parents and them to do together. Yes, they should had enough adults there to watch over them, but they still knew what they were doing was wrong on all levels. Thauch12 said it should be the parents who take care of this. But it happened on school time and not at parents house on the weekend. I think 10 days being suspended is light for drugs and under age drinking. When you can go to jail for the same thing, if you are caught by a cop.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 03/22/13 - 11:17 pm
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Yea, down in Brunswick we

Yea, down in Brunswick we just had a 17 and 14 y.o. murder a baby and shoot the mother.... Let's hammer these boys and make a federal case out of drinking..... They screwed up and should be punished, but let's not lose perspective.

whyme
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whyme 03/22/13 - 11:39 pm
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not surprised

Not surprised that the posts that minimize the use of alcohol and other substances are the ones that are getting the thumbs up, and those that express concern over the behavior are getting the thumbs down. That's the problem right there. So many people think that it's no big deal, it's just typical teenage behavior, it's not as bad as some other behaviors could be, kids will be kids, etc. etc. While taking into account that most everyone is making comments based on what is being presented in the media, the reality is that this behavior should not be accepted. Period. It is not sportsman-like, it is not legal, it is not healthy. End of discussion. Wish we could go back to a society where respect, manners, self-discipline, and higher morals/ethics are considered the norm, not the exception.

paladin5
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paladin5 03/23/13 - 04:50 am
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SPICE IS NOT NICE

Sadly, I have a nephew who was an outstanding football and baseball player and a state champion wrestler in S.C. He went on and graduated from the University of S.C. about 5 years. About a year ago he stopped at a shop near his home and bought some spice (which was legal). Expecting the same effects of marijuana that he admitted to trying in college, he got a surprise. Before he could reach home he had a hallucination and wound up leaving the road and driving his vehicle across the 4 lane highway, then across a field and finally collided with a power pole. I went to see him; he was not seriously injured, but he does not remember what happened. He told me that the effect of the spice was not what he expected and the effect was bad.

Many Drug reference sites provide information of the effects of Spice and many stories of trauma related incidents at Emergency Rooms related to Spice. Bath Salts are even worse; hospitals have no protocols to deal with the psychotic and irrationale behavior the patients brought in for emergency treatment.

If you do not know about this drug issues, then you need to do some research.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 03/23/13 - 05:46 am
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"Their Rights"

From the other story: “The students are on a 10-day suspension pending a school disciplinary hearing, which Nagle said is expected to be held next week.

“We may allow any of those who did admit to go ahead and waive their rights to a hearing, and we will place them immediately in the alternative school so they don’t miss any school time,” Nagle said.
Students who waive their right to a hearing could start at the alternative school as early as Monday, Nagle said.”

That doesn’t look right. If you admit to wrong doing then you won’t lose any school time. If you don’t waive your rights you will miss time which could very well lead to failing. Interesting that Nagle brought up “their rights.” I assume they do have some by his statement. Could it be their rights were violated by the way this was handled? It could be the whole thing is thrown out on technicalities.

scoobynews
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scoobynews 03/23/13 - 03:09 pm
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I am not shocked at the

I am not shocked at the support because the apples don't usually fall too far from the tree. Kids today think they can get away with anything because parents are willing to make excuses for their behavior and accuse those in charge of the wrong doing. Wrong is wrong. If this had been any other school such as Bulter or Warren county comments would be crucifying them and blaming their parents. I have seen students get the same punishment just for having weed or pills at school without even being under the influence but just by having it in their lockers. Whyme is so right? This is not behavior that shows sportsmanship, morals, and down right good home training. Shame on anyone who supports this behavior from these young men because you are doing them no favors.

WAG
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WAG 03/23/13 - 07:38 am
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I applled at the way people

I applled at the way people think. Still got so0me of the kids that were involved posting stuff. Where are the parents. This kid should not have devices to post anything. Why shouldn't they be punished? They knew right from wrong....If someone had died the parents would be screaming.
This reminds of many years ago when Evans was caught cheating and the majority thought they did no wrong...Wake up! Also reminds me of Stubenville....Take up for these little brats. The one posting sounds like a real winner. Wa wa wa they might lose thier scholorships.. Learn to follow rules and the law!!!!!!

DEVGRU6
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DEVGRU6 03/23/13 - 08:16 am
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accountability

Top notch TEAM? they are big boys that made a bad choice without any leadership. What kind of atmosphere has been condoned or allowed to exist and is it a team run by players or run buy coaches. The focus was not on the sport at hand. Maybe they would prefer to meet with the local judicial system on their illegal behavior. They are getting off easy. Maybe think about earning integrity back should be focus since they gave it away. They just got caught this time.

Coaches are leaders, they should have influence on behavior and expected atmosphere on and off the field. 5-7 players maybe but %75 under their nose. They should be sitting right next to the players in all this.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 03/23/13 - 07:44 am
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Punish them

let the school handle it - when we were kids and did something stupid like this, we knew we would be punished if we got caught - they took the chance and got caught - now punish them. One and all involved!!!! This is a great example to set - you break the rules - you pay and you pay dearly.

justputtin
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justputtin 03/23/13 - 08:09 am
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Read the words

Come on people. I said if my son was innocent. If my kid was guilty then I don't fight the charges or punishment for its not me to decide. What is wrong here is innocent kids being punished. They should investigate, then punish, not the other way around.

woodymeister
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woodymeister 03/23/13 - 08:36 am
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Responsibility

Yes, kids make mistakes. Kids raised in good, responsible households are not immune to making poor choices. Never have been, never will be. So, what else went wrong? How many chaperones were present? Coach Warren and Coach Ball? Who is Ball? Was he the chaperone for the boys, girls, or both?

If a player got sick from drinking or heaven forbid, was injured or died, what would the outcry sound like? There are rules in place to prevent that kind of event. If the rules are broken, should the punishment not be given because nothing bad happened? What do we teach our young adults by not making them toe the line?

Now, we send a bunch of JV players and the varsity players who took the high road to Atlanta to be embarrased by the No. 1 team in the state. The beating will likely be painful. This team had a chance to do something special, and now, will not be able to play for a title.

Finally, no rights were violated. Do some research on past cases like this. If these kids decide to challenge the system, they will probably suffer further punishment. They have a choice - pay for the error by heading to the alternative school for the rest of this year. If the families choose to fight, these kids will likely receive a more harsh punishment. THEY BROKE THE RULES AND THERE IS NO GETTING AROUND IT. Fight it all day long, but they have admitted to doing wrong. If the parents want to fight it, they are simply going to drag these kids through the public mud and still be punished......

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 03/23/13 - 08:45 am
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Woody

Well said.

I'm Back Again
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I'm Back Again 03/23/13 - 08:56 am
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Alternative school for the
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Alternative school for the rest of this school year and half the next year is far too harsh a punishment. That is what their punishment will be, at the least. This school board and it's "Dean of Mean" Mr. Padgett has far too much power. Period!!!

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Barry Paschal 03/23/13 - 09:03 am
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Rights

Riverman: Under the student code of conduct, any student suspended for 10 days or more has the right to appear before the school hearing officer. That's the "right" Nagle refers to. It is routine for students facing long-term suspension - as these are - to be allowed to go to the alternative school if they forego the hearing. The ones who go to the hearing likely will recieve out-of-school suspension for the remainder of the semester with the option of attending the alternative school. If you look at the school hearings we publish each Wednesday, you'll see similar sentences for on-campus drug or alcohol use, and because this was a school-sponsored trip it would be fall under the code for on-campus violations.

scoobynews
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scoobynews 03/23/13 - 09:13 am
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Justputtin

Sad to say but kids today don't have integrity. Recently someone took something from my room. I had just put the item on a desk at the end of the period and stood by the door as that class left. When I walked back in it was gone. Only one group of kids could have seen the culprit and one of them was the culprit. The item was tossed in the hall and reported to me. It somehow made its way to another class. Do you think anyone confessed or owned up to it? Nope not one person "saw" anything. No one wanted to be a "snitch". I even offered to them the choice of being anonymous. No takers there either. The world we live in no longer respects honesty.

JDMT54
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JDMT54 03/23/13 - 10:49 am
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Childs Rights?

Did the kids had rights before they were questioned?

I am the parent of one of those 18 kids. They did it. They are ultimately responsible.

Those kids did not admitted to this. They were called to the administrative offices around 1:00 PM. Their cell phones were collected so they could not call anyone. They were interrogated and told that other kids had already incriminated them so might as well fess up. Once they admitted then they were asked to write statement and name the other kids.

No parent was called until all of them had admitted. That was around 3:15 in my case. Is this legal? And if it is, then they (the school)have to accept some responsibility for their lack of supervision during this trip.

25 kids with 4 per room are around 6 rooms. The rooms were across from each other and the coaches’ room was in between. How much checking they did? I am sure that 18 drinking kids can make a lot of noise. There was one check the first night at 11:00PM and another at 12:00PM the second night. Kids were left to eat on their own, not as a team. I do not call that supervision.

Were these kids asked if they were forced to drink as part of an induction ceremony…yes, hazing.

When I picked my kid last Saturday among how much fun he had, he told me how all the new kids to the tournament had to be inducted. He did not mention alcohol (we know why) but he mentioned shaving cream and the like. This was not the first time this was done and he actually told me he could not wait to do it to the new kids next year. Of course I told him that was not right for the reason we all know.

The school did get the kids but did they fixed the problem?

They need to be punish but not by destroying their life's. Some of them will learn from this. That is all it counts.

wise ole man
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wise ole man 03/23/13 - 10:57 am
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Most of these comments are so

Most of these comments are so indicative what's wrong with public schools today- the parents believing, knowing but not accepting their child errorred and refusing to let them face the consequences. If it weren't for the social media none if this would have come to life eventhough parents knew about this when these boys arrived home as indicated by JDMT54. I am sure this parent didn't bring it to the schools attention before they were exposed on Twitter! If these boys were in a overnight field trip not involving athletics this would not be an issue. They did the crime now face the music. To blame the coaches' lack of attention as ridiculous as holding a parent responsible for their underage child coming home drunk from a party. I'm sure the GHS would rather to have ignored this but cuffs to Seagraves for going what is right. Past administration would have never mentioned this.

woodymeister
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woodymeister 03/23/13 - 11:14 am
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Rights

It doesn't sound like any rights were violated - at least according to the media reports. When a student enters a school building, his or her rights are unchanged, but the rules are different. Students should not have cell phones when on school grounds. Most do I presume. Taking their phones simply prevented others being able to spin a story.

To the last poster, I don't understand how their lives are being destroyed. They attend the alternative school for the rest of the year and return to GHS next year (if that's how it works). If you choose to go to trial and lose (based on the facts - they will lose), then they attend longer. Again, it doesn't ruin their lives, but it does change it. None of those kids are prolific players, so it won't likely cost any of the guilty kids a scholarship. If that's what you are referring to, then a re-evaluation might be in order.

A valid point made above is regarding supervision. Who and how many chaperones were there and did they understand the Columbia County school system's rules and regulations? Are there any rules regarding a student/chaperone ratio? How can we expect one adult to supervise 25 boys or girls? How can that be proven? Something stinks around those issues. How many coaches attended with the team? Did they all stay with the team? Are all coaches qualified to serve as chaperones for these young men and women?

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 03/23/13 - 11:24 am
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This is crazy - JTMD

Forget it (save your child from himself - that's your only job)- go have a green Bloody Mary - ask RM - he knows the recipe. hahaha

scoobynews
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scoobynews 03/23/13 - 03:07 pm
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Give me a break! This past

Give me a break! This past Thursday I had lunch at the zaxby's near Greenbrier and saw tons of unsupervised high school kids eating lunch. They are unsupervised when you give them keys to their own car. I see plenty of them roaming the malls and everywhere else without supervision.. At some point in their 16 to 18 years of life someone taught them right from wrong. Or did they? Thanks below grammar police. When typing on an iPad in a hurry anyone can make a mistake. At least I never went on a school function with alcohol. Phew thank goodness for common sense.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 03/23/13 - 02:26 pm
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"Are did they?"

That is not the Kings English - I'm not a liberal - far from it because one of the prerequisites was to learn to speak - write English. If you see a wrong doing, correct it! It's so easy...

Discussionstarter
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Discussionstarter 03/23/13 - 03:02 pm
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These kids earned the punishment they are about to receive

A bunch of rich snotty parents trying to making their little demons look like angels. Once again, the school system is having to take the parental role. I guarantee these kids have been drinking in Augusta as well. These kids deserve the consequences for their behaviors.

justputtin
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justputtin 03/23/13 - 03:20 pm
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kids don't have integrity?

You mean every one? If that's the case, whose fault is that? The parents.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 03/23/13 - 03:26 pm
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Disc

wishes he was rich like Countyman hahaha

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