Cross Creek student suspended for buying knife

Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:48 PM
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A Cross Creek High School student was suspended for the rest of the year and the first semester of next year for buying a knife on the way to school, hiding it in a drain at a bus stop and retrieving it after he got off the afternoon school bus to go home March 23, according to Richmond County School System tribunal findings recently made public.

The student, who receives special services, was given the option to attend the Tubman Education Center Alternative Program in lieu of long-term suspension. The decision is subject to the review of the special education team.

The following are findings from tribunal hearings held April 13 and April 17. All students were given the option to attend the alternative program instead of facing long-term suspension unless otherwise noted:

• A Glenn Hills High School student hit another student in the hallway, and a second student then hit the same student on March 27. The first student hit the victim because “he was angry and just hit the first person he saw,” according to the tribunal report. The second student joined in because he is a friend of the first student. Both students, who receive special services, were suspended for the rest of the 2011-12 school year and for 2012-13.

• A Sego Middle School pupil wrote a threat on another pupil’s paper March 9. The pupil was suspended for the rest of the 2011-12 school year.

• Two Academy of Richmond County students engaged in sexual activity in the boy’s restroom March 23. One of them receives special services and was suspended for the rest of the 2011-12 year and for the first semester of 2012-13. The other was suspended for the rest of the 2011-12 year and was shown leniency for being truthful and accepting responsibility for her actions.

• A Langford Middle School pupil was in possession of marijuana March 28. The pupil was suspended for the rest of 2011-12 and for the first semester of 2012-13.

• A Hephzibah High School student admitted to threatening another student, taking out a black bandana and claiming he was a member of the Folk Nation gang March 29. The student was suspended for the rest of this term and for the first semester of 2012-13.

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Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/03/12 - 02:11 pm
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Something is wrong here. I

Something is wrong here. I understand that schools have the right to forbid knives on school property, which would also include school buses. But the school bus stop is not school property. It should be perfectly legal for a high school student to purchase knife and store it in a drain and fetch it later. Such activity doesn't impact school operations, order or decorum one little bit.

Something is rotten in Denmark here.

Dr. Craig Spinks.Georgians for Educational Excellence
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Why aren't the results of

Why aren't the results of special ed team reviews of students' misbehaviors published with the students' names redacted? Don't we have a compelling interest to learn about issues affecting school safety?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/03/12 - 02:19 pm
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I was curious about this too

I was curious about this too LL. If the knife was never on school grounds or the school bus, how can they charge him?

double_standard
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double_standard 05/03/12 - 02:28 pm
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The bus stop is considered

The bus stop is considered school grounds. If a fight occurs at the bus stop students are suspended from school. The student was lucky not to be turned over to law enforcement agencies.

reality_bites
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reality_bites 05/03/12 - 02:47 pm
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As a bus driver, I am in

As a bus driver, I am in total agreement with double_standard. While the property itself is not school property, it is recognized by the state as a registered school bus stop. Therefore, anything that happens at that bus stop is under the same guidelines as if the student were on school grounds.

unbiased_propaganda
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unbiased_propaganda 05/03/12 - 03:03 pm
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Wow - if that's true about

Wow - if that's true about the bus stop....reality DOES bite. I was under the same impression as Little Lamb....it's not like the student brought it to the actual school or bus and flashed it around.

But I guess the law is the law.

HighSociety
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HighSociety 05/03/12 - 03:13 pm
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Yes a bus stop falls under

Yes a bus stop falls under Board of Education property. AC I would like to see Columbia County's punishment also. Two weeks ago Lakeside put a student out for peeling an orange in class with a pocket knife. I was wondering where their punishment stands against Richmond County. If equal?

Kendall
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Kendall 05/03/12 - 09:32 pm
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WOW, just wow--you can get
Unpublished

WOW, just wow--you can get into trouble for anything these days.......

TrulyWorried
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TrulyWorried 05/03/12 - 10:39 pm
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What is this with all these

What is this with all these students receiving "special services"? What KIND of special services? If they are slow learners for one reason or another, don't punish the rest of the students by having to wait for him/her to catch up! Put them in a class of their own!!

Radwaste
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Radwaste 05/04/12 - 07:06 am
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Hello, "bus stop" people! I

Hello, "bus stop" people! I have a giggle test for you: how far away from the bus stop sign does this "school property" fiction extend? What if there is no sign, and the bus simply stops, as is the case, oh, everywhere?
How is it that an unidentified person, adult or otherwise, is permitted to occupy bus stop space?
Who may possess a knife at these (unmarked) bus stops, and under what conditions? Is the bus stop "school property" only part of the time, or all day, all week, all year?
What happens to someone who leaves a knife in a drain near a bus stop that isn't "theirs" - such as, the kid doesn't get on that bus, or someone not in school did that?

What is the law, REALLY?

This is just nonsense extended in an effort to control what happens.

maddog
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maddog 05/04/12 - 07:31 am
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Just one more reason why I'm

Just one more reason why I'm glad I live on the Carolina side of the river.

stillamazed
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stillamazed 05/04/12 - 08:00 am
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RC got it wrong here....I am

RC got it wrong here....I am sure that the young man did not realize that the bus stop was considered school property. This is ridiculous, he did not take a knife on the bus, he did not take a knife to school and most young men I know all own a knife of some kind. Obviously he had no intention of taking it to school, that is why he stashed it until the afternoon. I see buses stop all the time where there are no signs posted as it being a bus stop so I totally agree with you Radwaste!

movingforward
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movingforward 05/04/12 - 08:32 am
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Student who receives special

Student who receives special education services vary from severe and profound, learning disable, hearing impaired, visually impaired, emotional behavioral disordered, autism and other health impaired which impacts their ability to learn at the same rate as their peer group. Many of these students cannot function in a regular classroom setting while other can function socially with their peer group but are academically behind.

movingforward
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movingforward 05/04/12 - 08:36 am
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Students with varying

Students with varying disabilities requires classroom teachers who are trained in learning how to best teach these students. These teachers also must be abreast regarding what types of behaviors they can expect from the student in the school setting based upon the student disability.

movingforward
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movingforward 05/04/12 - 08:38 am
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Students with disabilities

Students with disabilities require a school setting that is conducive to their learning style and the Tubman Education Center lacks the expertise and staff to address their very diverse needs.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/04/12 - 09:10 am
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There may be some provisions

There may be some provisions for registering certain pick-up points as bus stops, but in Richmond County, the school system has not registered the stops. Just follow a school bus driving through a subdivision (or even on a feeder street which has residences on it). There are no "bus stops." The bus just stops at each house where a student lives. Usually the student is standing outside, but if the student is a little late getting dressed, the bus will patiently wait at the student's house, red lights flashing (holding up subdivision traffic) until the student moseys from the house and slowly stumbles on the bus. I have seen it time and time again.

I call foul on those saying that every stop a bus makes is to be considered school property.

fftaz71
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fftaz71 05/04/12 - 09:22 am
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Im with Little Lamb on this

Im with Little Lamb on this one...AND...as a parent Id be outraged to find out that my kid, who made an attempt to follow the rules and not bring a weapon to school, is being handed the same punishment/if not more as two kids that were engaged in sexual activity in the school bathroom.

LLArms
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LLArms 05/04/12 - 10:17 am
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I was suspended from Evans

I was suspended from Evans High as a teenager. I was drawing some guns on a piece of paper (this was before Columbine and all that scary stuff). Never had any other run-ins with the principal. Did not have good grades, but I did not get in any trouble.

I was offered the "alternative school" option - after 2 days in that god forsaken place I dropped out and just got a GED. Those alternative schools are nothing more than a place to put the worst rift raft in the school system in one place. It was like a teens version of a cell block in prison. All the crap in one place. I did not belong there. I did not deserve to be thrown in with those animals. All for drawing a picture (I was quite the artist as a young teen) and now I was deemed dangerous enough to be lumped in with repeat offenders when it came to fighting and just generally much nastier behavior.

I feel for this teen. He was probably doing what he thought was the best course of action and someone ratted him out and screwed him over. Whoever did that is a real loser.

/rant :)

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/04/12 - 11:02 am
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I was imagining the same

I was imagining the same thing, LLArms. I'll bet one of the bus riders saw him fetch his new knife in the afternoon from the drain where he carefully stashed it that morning and then snitched to the principal the next day. Or maybe it was a nosy, busybody, gossipy bus driver that turned him in.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 05/04/12 - 11:18 am
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It's kind of hard to tell

It's kind of hard to tell from the maps, but it looks like Cross Creek High School is in School Board District Six. Perhaps some phone calls, e-mails, and cards to District Six Trustee Jack Padgett might get this boy's punishment revoked and with an apology from the tribunal. It couldn't hurt.

smokeysbandit
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smokeysbandit 05/04/12 - 11:38 am
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I'd say the Academy of

I'd say the Academy of Richmond County student definitely received "special services".

dwb619
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dwb619 05/04/12 - 12:36 pm
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Maddog, the same rules apply

Maddog, the same rules apply to bus stops in Aiken County.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/05/12 - 07:46 am
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I was working EMS down in

I was working EMS down in Barnwell County when that kid brought a gun to school the day after he got suspended and shot 2 teachers and himself inside the high school in Blackville. After witnessing that carnage I am all for whatever rules and guidelines are needed to keep our schools safe from any type of weapons, but this case in RC does not seem right. This boy seems to have went out of his way to make sure he did not bring a knife to school. I understand the law is the law and ignorance of a law is no excuse for breaking it, but I don't think this boy should have faced such severe sanctions as he did from the facts we read here. Each case should be handled on a case by case basis instead of across the board penalties.
I recently read a case from a Texas high school where a boy got expelled for having weapons in the trunk of his car. It turns out the night before he had been to baseball practice and had a canvas bag full of baseball bats in the trunk of his car in the school parking lot. The bats stayed there all day without a problem. At the end of the school day the boy was getting ready to go home and he opened his car trunk to put his book bag in the trunk. A faculty member walking the parking lot saw the bag of bats in his car and hauled the boy to the office. The boy was suspended for having weapons on school grounds because the baseball bats could have been used as weapons. School tribunals lack common sense all across America.

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