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A W.S. Hornsby K-8 School pupil was suspended after causing a disruption on a school bus and struggling with a school safety officer, according to Richmond County tribunal findings made public Monday.

The pupil , identified as J.S., was found guilty of verbally abusing a school employee and physically assaulting a school employee, but not guilty of physical violence against a school employee.

On Sept. 30, the pupil was disruptive on the bus, causing the driver to turn the bus around and go back to the school. While getting off the bus, J.S. bumped the assistant principal's shoulder and cursed. The pupil struggled with the school safety officer.

J.S. was suspended for the rest of the school year, with the option to attend the Tubman Education Center Alternative Program.

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rjv
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rjv 11/01/10 - 04:33 pm
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J.S. NEEDS SOME BRAKES PUT ON

J.S. NEEDS SOME BRAKES PUT ON HIM ! LETS SEE IF HIS MOTHER WILL DEFEND HIM , WHICH WILL SEAL HIS FUTURE PATH TO JAIL !!! COME ON YOU PARENTS , A LOT OF YOU FOSTER CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR BY TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN TO NOT RESPECT AUTHORITY !!!!

trimmy
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trimmy 11/01/10 - 05:03 pm
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So physical assault is not
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So physical assault is not violence? This place is as messed up as a soup sandwich. These student /thugs are running all over the system. The school board and the people responsible for putting discipline in place are sorry excuses for adults. Who are they afraid of? Someone needs to dole out a greater punishment. The authorities should be thoroughly embarassed by what they are allowing to happen. Irresponsibility is high and discipline is low. Bad Combo.

fatboyhog
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fatboyhog 11/01/10 - 05:56 pm
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The only special services

The only special services this heathen needs is a swift kick in the rear. How does he even rate the option of alternative school? It's a shame that the administrators in the schools, the teachers, and the officers are subjected to physical and verbal abuse. What would happen if this kid assaulted the superintendent? A board member? This is outrageous! This should not be tolerated! J.S. should never be allowed to enter a GA public school again. His parent(s) should foot the bill for a private education or home school him and deal with him. No school employee should ever have to deal with this kind of lawlessness. If these kids can't act right, kick them out of school. They are disruptive to those that want to learn.

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 11/01/10 - 11:56 pm
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The Richmond County School

The Richmond County School system has become nothing but a huge waste of tax money on all levels. School Vouchers would allow for private schools to be built and for those who really want to learn to be able to do so.

Discipline in the schools is a complete joke and without discipline along with a safe and secure environment, educational learning will never take place.

Teachers are afraid of the kids and call for the principals who either do nothing or call for Campus Police. The BOE doesn't really want the Campus Police to be policing "these little darling children" so they rename the division school safety and try to tie the hands of the officers having to deal with these juvenile offenders, many of whom should have been suspended, transferred to alternative school or expelled long ago.

Teachers need to have full control of their classrooms; Principals need to support the teachers, walk the halls, monitor the lunchrooms, etc. and issue appropriate punishments when students are sent to the office. Campus Police should be present to secure the safety of our students and teachers not be called in for every little incident simply to shift the job responsibilities of school administrators. Of course NONE of this will take place until the BOE makes it clear that the schools are to discipline their students and not allow those who continue to disrupt school remain in the schools.

Pass the buck and pass the blame is the name of the game in Richmond County. And, yes, of course the parents are to blame and should shoulder a large portion of the blame but the bottom line is if the student is not at school to get an education for whatever reason then REMOVE him or her from the school, period.

Stop being afraid to do your jobs and tell Pete Fletcher and his liberal views of the laws to take a hike and hire a real attorney who will put discipline back into the schools and do whatever it takes to make teachers, principals, campus police, etc. get the respect they deserve and students who will listen to simple commands because if not they know the consequences for their actions will be swift and severe.

This is why any good new teacher will go to Columbia County or Aiken County before they would even consider teaching in Richmond County. If they do teach in RC, it is only until they can get a better job.

Put discipline back into our schools and remove those who are not there to learn. If you removed the worst 5% NOW and made it clear to those who remain that if you come to school it is to get an education (nothing more, nothing less) and if you misbehave, you will be removed, grades would improve, those on the fringe of good or bad would be able to make a choice to be good and those students who do their jobs every day and come to school as students would be able to drastically improve.

As with most things in our current government, this school system is enabling those who do nothing productive, allowing the few bad apples to spoil the whole bunch and unnecessarily punishing those who really want to learn (probably around 90%) of the students.

Stop pandering to the do-nothings, class clowns, violent students, etc. and start taking up for those who want to learn. Pete Fletcher is a major part of this problem in RC and has become part of the weaknesses now taking place in CC as well - get leaders with backbones and attorneys who will back up doing what is right vs. worrying about every little law suit that 99% of the time is frivolous.

cristinadh
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cristinadh 11/01/10 - 07:13 pm
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this is our great future!!

this is our great future!!

dougk
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dougk 11/01/10 - 07:13 pm
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What in the world are you
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What in the world are you people ranting about?...he was suspended for the rest of the school year..

dougk
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dougk 11/01/10 - 07:14 pm
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cristinadh...exactly what
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cristinadh...exactly what does this one incident say about our "great future?"

Waymore
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Waymore 11/01/10 - 08:51 pm
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He should be kicked out

He should be kicked out PERMANENTLY. Period, end of statement. Next?

tinytuna
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tinytuna 11/01/10 - 08:58 pm
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Asitisinaug.... Amen! What

Asitisinaug....
Amen! What you say is so true.

Dixieman
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Dixieman 11/01/10 - 09:08 pm
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You know, we need some

You know, we need some serious legal reform to put the discretion when to use discipline back in the hands of teachers and principals and get the lawyers out of the process. (Full disclosure: I am a lawyer but think we have no place in running classrooms or a school system). Armed police in our schools, endless "due process" hearings, etc. just cause the kids to snicker and diss every adult involved in the process. How about some good laws reversing some misguided court decisions requiring this nonsense? And conservative judges too...

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 11/01/10 - 11:57 pm
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Dixieman, good post.

Dixieman, good post.

Tinytuna, if only the BOE would listen because they already know. Thx

jack2006
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jack2006 11/02/10 - 12:09 am
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I have to say this. Is

I have to say this.

Is suspending any student for bad behavior getting us anywhere? If it was, this problem would have been solved decades ago. Getting the court system involved, is it really helping the student’s education or the future of the community? Having the policeman walking the halls of public schools, is it increasing the level of education? Attitude reflects the leadership. Leadership has to change in order to educate all students. We can’t pick and choose which student to educate when you are receiving tax dollars out of that household for education. A student recognizes the fact of the system failing them long before the educators want to admit it.

Driving throughout both counties, sometimes I have to wonder what county did the driver have gotten their education? Richmond County – Can’t read the road signs. Columbia County – Choose not to read the road signs. Either way, having the education and not using it equals no education. Both counties still need a lot of work because education is always an ongoing process.

It’s funny how so many people claim that the parents aren’t involved. What about the time when parents couldn’t read or write but they still produce the most highly respected and educated students compared to now. Remove the parent factor out of the equation and teach the student. You will have a better quality education system.

Let’s face it. The education system is a prison to and for some of these students. Students are trap in a failing system and the only excuse you want to use is sending them to jail or to continue finding reason why not to educate them. Until the educators find a better way back to basic in teaching with inclusion of all students, we will continue having these problems.

Education is a powerful weapon. Is it the reason why we fail to educate?

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 11/02/10 - 01:39 am
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Jack2006, you bring up some

Jack2006, you bring up some good points. That being said, the majority of students causing problems are age 16 and up. If by this time in their life they are causing problems in schools, they are doing so with full knowledge of their actions. Removing them from the school and placing them in alternative schools does work with some but not with most. However, failing to remove them from school greatly impacts the education of those in school wanting to learn.

Students are guaranteed the right to an education, not the right to ruin educational opportunities for others. If the student does not report to school to learn, there is no reason for him/her to be there at all.

Schools are now small communities with thousands present and anyplace that has that amount of people needs security. Campus Police serve this function well in many cases and often are pro-active in reducing problems on campus from students and trespassers alike. Campus Police often foster and appreciation for law enforcement officers and many students get along very well with their Campus Officers and work well with them in ensuring a safe school environment.

It would be nice if everyone would get a great education but the student must take part in the learning process. When he/she fails to do so or when their actions begin to infringe on the actions of the majority of students who are in school to learn then they MUST be removed.

So, to answer your questions, do suspensions work - in many cases they do and in others they don't. Does getting the court system involved work? Well, it is the final wake up call for students and parents to get their act together unless the student wishes to be a part of the court and jail system for the rest of their life - so, yes, it works for some. Having Campus Police walk the halls, etc. certainly increases the level of education because if students don't feel safe, no learning will take place - most of our local schools have done school safety surveys from students and teachers and in all high schools specifically, over 90% of the students said Campus Police were a positive and necessary component of the High School environment.

I do agree that changes are needed - we must stop thinking that money can solve everything and we must rid ourselves of this entitlement mentality society to the best of our ability.

We can't pick and choose which students to educate but we can certainly remove those who are not taking advantage of the opportunity to learn while in school. Everyone has the opportunity and therefore it is their actions that get them removed from school, not someone picking and choosing whom to educate.

The schools between the two counties are like night and day although Columbia County had better get back to the strong disciplinary policies that have kept their schools safe, secure and amongst some of the best schools in the country.

As for parents not being involved...most are referring to helping teachers solve problems, specifically discipline problems. You absolutely can not teach someone who doesn't want to behave or learn or only goes to schools to pick up girls, sell drugs, keep contacts, etc. During the time you refer to where some parents couldn't read or write, they were still very involved in ensuring their children did as the teachers said and if the school issued discipline the son or daughter was sure to get much worse when they arrived at home. Now days, it is "not my little darling" or the school "has no right" to discipline my son or daughter and I'm going to sue....it is out of control and ridiculous.

Your final comments are not called for - MOST all teachers want to teach, they want to educate, they want their students to learn and be successful, etc. -- Watch Teach with Tony Danza on A&E. Yes, it is reality TV and I'm sure not all of it is real but it really hits very close to home in so many ways from having a class full of students for 50 minutes at varying levels to caring so much for your students that you often care more about their future than they do.

I agree we need to find better ways to teach our youth but our youth need to get it through their heads that no one is owed anything in American and failure to obtain an education is no ones fault but their own.

saltine
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saltine 11/02/10 - 05:29 am
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Every one has a valid

Every one has a valid point,except one,remember ,"No child left behind?"This is why they get alternative school! There are no morals taught ,and not only the child gets off,but so do the parents.Such a "wonderful plan!"

quitmanwhite
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quitmanwhite 11/02/10 - 06:40 am
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I cannot believe we are even

I cannot believe we are even discussing what an elementary school student is doing. What would happen if he/she was in high school? No matter what you say, the blame starts at home with the parents. If your children receive, and expect to receive the proper discipline at home, you will not have a problem with them anywhere else. It is time to stop passing the buck. If I was a teacher or interacted with students and they disrepected me, I guess I would just have to go to jail. But I can bet you one thing, that next time that kid saw me, he would say "that old man is crazy" and I guarantee I would not have the problem out of one of them again. That is the way it should be at home. Take no mouth. Take no misbehaviour. Take no unfounded excuses. Support the teachers and the discipline given at schools and raise these kids in the "village" like many of us were raised.

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seenitB4 11/02/10 - 08:33 am
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This is the very reason top

This is the very reason top ceo's say our education system in the USA is a dismal failure.......Some kids need to be left behind with a SWIFT KICK in their behind!

WW1949
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WW1949 11/02/10 - 09:35 am
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Society has to have people to

Society has to have people to do menial low paying jobs and these type of people grow up to do those jobs unless they have a great awakeing. Move them out and teach the ones that want to learn. There will always be those that want to learn and those that think they do not need an education. Forty Five years ago we had to bend over and get a wallop on the rear. Made me think twice after I got the first and only one and then running around in circles while my father held my hand and spanked me. Never acted out any more.

Big_vike
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Big_vike 11/02/10 - 10:24 am
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The world needs Ditch

The world needs Ditch diggers, Garbage men and Burger Flippers. For some these jobs are a start, for some its all they can get. For this kid, its more than he deserves.

jack2006
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jack2006 11/02/10 - 10:48 am
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The system started failing

The system started failing when the educator’s kids start failing within the system. I am not from either one of these local school systems but during my early years of education, we knew which student’s parent was a teacher. They had a protective edge for those students throughout the system. It wasn't written but it was known. It didn’t matter if the parent taught in the local school system. If that parent was an educator, that student was protected. What I have noticed, we have many educators today within our system with kids that didn’t finish high school and teaching other students. I have to asked the question of their behavior to teaching the student body. I have to question their ability to effectively to teach another student when the system has failed theirs. I don’t see the teacher’s support system within. While we are addressing issues, let’s address that one.

justfred
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justfred 11/02/10 - 12:11 pm
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I have no idea what jack2006

I have no idea what jack2006 was trying to say in his 2nd post. Parent's must be held accountable for the behavior of their elementary school age children. A simple solution to this incident is to stop transporting kids to school. We may owe our children a free public education, however worthless that may be, but surely we don't owe them a free ride to & from school. Get the parent's involved at an early age by having them transport their darling little kids back and forth to school. This may be the first time many of those parents ever even see the school buildings. Another benefit would be the cost savings of buying all those buses, insurance, fuel, maint, drivers and benefits to include health & life insurance and retirement. Give the teachers the power to suspend kids from class. Suspensions should require an in school meeting with the parents, instructions about home studies so the child can pass a school reentry exam, and, in the event he fails his reentry exam, information about private education little Johnny can attend until he can pass this test.

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Craig Spinks 11/02/10 - 12:11 pm
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"Asitisinaug", "Dixieman" and

"Asitisinaug", "Dixieman" and others of similar mindsets for school boards! Our educators and their students need advocates who won't be intimidated by Pete and his effete ilk.

jack2006
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jack2006 11/02/10 - 01:51 pm
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Public education isn’t free.

Public education isn’t free. Kicking students out is placing them behind in their grade level. Is this acceptable? No. Find the solution to educate and lead. A true leader doesn’t look for excuses. They look for solutions. A true educator looks for ways to better teach the hardest student.

The current solution of not educating is no longer acceptable. Break this chain and habit and teach the students or get out of the education profession. The day that students needed probation officers, lawyers, and court dates was the day that we all lost in the education profession big time. Yes, little Johnny maybe the hardest and most misbehave student but it doesn’t give us the right to not to educate him. There is no such thing as the perfect little student. Teach the subject and the behavior will come in line because they will become less threaten of their own failures in learning and start learning again. If you stop teaching, you will never reach them. Now, is that really a parent’s problem?

Since I am paying educational tax dollars, we will teach the hardest and the most unthinkable students no matter what. If they are learning bad behaviors, then we know that they can learn something. Why not teach what they need to become a better student? Behavior is learned. Why can’t we teach them and not expecting that it is somebody else’ job to do so.

We are letting the bad deeds of the outside influence the inside instead of being the inside that is influencing the outside. We need to be progressive in the deed of behavior teaching to influence the pressures of what the students are experiencing outside the walls of the school to make education better for them. Once we accomplish that goal, the fire within them for education would be unstoppable. We have to power to reach each and every student that cross the threshold of our schools. Let’s stop wasting valuable time and teach all of them unconditional.

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lifelongresident 11/03/10 - 01:03 pm
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well folks the school board
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well folks the school board election is over and ms. cain, mr. fletcher an all other incumbents have been re-elected...not the fun starts when the new congress eliminates the "knucklehead" funding...oooops i mean the race to the top funding then it will be tax increases for the poor property owners with the explaination "it's for the children" because the expected grant money has already been spent by ms. cain and the other board members...they already have pet project on which to waste the money..but now with the new congress (in 2011) it wouldn't surprise if the money is eliminated....

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 11/03/10 - 01:31 pm
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Justfred wrote: A simple

Justfred wrote:

A simple solution to this incident is to stop transporting kids to school. We may owe our children a free public education, however worthless that may be, but surely we don't owe them a free ride to & from school.

Amen, Fred. I wish the insane school transportation system in Richmond and Columbia Counties could be phased out (or at least pared down such that only the truly isolated rural students were bussed.

But the problem is Acree vs. Board of Education. Richmond County school system is under federal court order to provide busing to achieve some sort of perverted racial balance goals. Until we can get out from under that court order, we are stuck with a monstrously expensive and obscenely ineffective transportation nightmare.

The court order explains Richmond County's dilemma. But I cannot figure out why the good citizens of Columbia County tolerate their massive busing system. You have fat and lazy students being bussed from home to school and back when the ride is less than a mile one way. It would do them a world of good to walk.

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