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Deputies put on administrative leave following death

Monday, July 1, 2013 7:59 PM
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Three Richmond County sheriff’s deputies are on administrative leave following the death of an Augusta man Friday night after he was shocked with a Taser.

Lt. Calvin Chew refused to release the names of the deputies, saying the incident is an ongoing investigation.

About 8 p.m. Friday, deputies attempted to apprehend George Harvey, 39, at the Chevron Food Mart at 1501 Gordon Highway. Deputy Coroner Kenneth Boose said Sunday that Harvey went into cardiac arrest after a Taser was used on him.

Emergency medical personnel were called and deputies performed CPR on Harvey until they arrived. He was taken to Georgia Re­gents Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 10:47 p.m., Boose said.

Richmond County investigators secured the scene, and the case was turned over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, according to an incident report.

GBI Special Agent in Charge Pat Morgan confirmed that investigators seized a Taser at the scene, but couldn’t discuss its role in the death.

“We cannot discuss the issue of the Taser at this point in time,” he said.

Morgan said the GBI will download information from the Taser, including where it was used and how many times it cycled through, but those results won’t be available until the end of the week.

Once the GBI has gathered enough information, Morgan said it will submit its findings to District Attorney Ashley Wright. He said he couldn’t speculate on how long that process might take.

“We work these investigations in a timely manner,” he said. “They are important issues to resolve.”

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Austin Rhodes
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Austin Rhodes 07/01/13 - 11:53 pm
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I do not believe...

...withholding those names is legal.

***Edited to add: Of course...a request needs to be made for the infp TO BE released. The dept. cannot be accused of withholding what they have not been specifically asked to share.

fatboyhog
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fatboyhog 07/01/13 - 10:34 pm
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What statute..

...says that the names can't be withheld during the investigation? What does the law say about a time frame in releasing the names?

Austin Rhodes
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Austin Rhodes 07/01/13 - 11:49 pm
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If memory serves...

...there must be a compelling reason to withhold the names. What tactical advantage does it give the investigating body for the names to be withheld from the public when virtually every employee of the department already knows who they are?

There is no "escape risk"...there is no advantage to be gained by anyone to keep the names private, especially when the public has a right to all information related to public policy and the handling and discipline of public employees.

In such cases, the government usually has to prove WHY they have not complied with any Open Records request, they have to establish a good reason to keep the information private from most, when so many already know.

Like I said this afternoon...this case is no different from any other where a suspect has been killed...and the names have RARELY if EVER been held this long. I have them...and I am considering putting them out.

rational thought trumps emotion
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rational thought trumps emotion 07/02/13 - 12:03 am
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The need to know...

There is no need to know the names or anything else that could in any way possibly interfere with a GBI Investigation. There is no potential threat or harm to the community by waiting for the correct information. Nothing changes by being the first to report something and from reviewing past incidents where this happens, much of the information put out is incorrect. Let investigators do their job in this case and in others and then accurately report confirmed information. I know we live in a society that "needs to know everything every second" but in reality, most of information put out quickly or through back channels here or elsewhere is never accurate, serves no purpose and is only done by the media to be the "first to report" vs. accurate and properly vetted reporting.

Austin Rhodes
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Austin Rhodes 07/02/13 - 12:57 am
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The GBI is investigating...

...the RCSO merely relieved their people from duty during the process. This info being released to the general public in NO WAY hinders their investigation. This happened SATURDAY NIGHT. Why the secrecy?

The last time I disagreed with them about withholding a name, I was roundly THANKED by the family of the Deputy in question. It was the right thing to do, and I am glad I did it.

wgcopeland
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wgcopeland 07/02/13 - 04:01 am
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Concerning tasers

....I personally think law enforcement should consider banning the use of tasers,...there are too many negative incidents nationwide involving a suspect being tased.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/02/13 - 04:56 am
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Personally, I see no need to

Personally, I see no need to publish the names of the officers involved at this time. What purpose does it serve other than for information purpose. Once it's published, negative context is always associated, even if after the investigation and no misconduct is proven.

If they are found to be at fault or misconduct involved then publish the names but if my husband/son or wife/daughter was one of the officers involved I would not want their name blasted all over the news, especially if after the investigation it is determined they did nothing wrong and the situation handled correctly.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 09:29 am
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Certainly!!

While we are at it; pepper spray has caused quite a few deaths; let's take that from them to. I also don't think we shouldn't carry firearms, let's take those too. Let's make it EXTREMELY more difficult for police to do their jobs and easier for drug abusing thugs to fight with police. I mean, a person high on narcotics usually doesn't feel pain anyway; so lets help them MORE in resisting arrest by taking the LE officer's tasers.

Like I said, we should probably leave LE officers with nothing but their hands and a single pair of handcuffs. Then we can save more people lives because LE officers won't have the ability to shoot and murder people or murder them with tasers.

scoobynews
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scoobynews 07/02/13 - 07:46 am
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Sorry a man is dead BUT when

Sorry a man is dead BUT when the police are trying to apprehend someone who committed a crime they don't have time to get their medical history. It is very likely the man had a medical condition that caused the cardiac arrest after the taser was used. A good rule of thumb - don't commit a crime and you won't be handcuffed, tased, or shot with pepper spray.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:57 am
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soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:58 am
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Lets install the micro chips now. Get ahead of the 1984 Curve.
Unpublished

Put every bit of data related to SS Number xxx-xx-xxxx

curly123053
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curly123053 07/02/13 - 08:08 am
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STOP RESISTING !!

I have a fanatastic idea to prevent you from bring tazed, pepper sprayed, or whatever happens when you resist any officer of the law!! DO NOT RESIST!! When I was first certified as an EMT in 1980, if I remember correctly law enforcement using the cans of mace. Mace had the same results as pepper spray and a tazor. It did the same job of getting a resisting or violent subject under control unless that person was under the influence of drugs. Each one of these methods would once in a while cause complications in someone with an underlying medical condition, but the percentages of that happening were low. The best line of defense is to 1) hang wityh the right crowds, 2) show respect to a law enforcement officer being questioned. 3) DO NOT RESIST !! Anyone who decides to resist an officer gets what is coming.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 07/02/13 - 08:19 am
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I can quickly think of 1 reason to withhold the names.

To avoid a another reverend and protest on the court house steps, or a visit from Al or Jesse. Without their names and pictures they can't incite emotions YET, and they are in official limbo.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 07/02/13 - 08:43 am
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I'll take a 99.94%

I'll take a 99.94% (taser)safe deterrent,

over a 60% (pistol) likely final one any day.

Yes there have been 538 (plus 1) Taser-Related Deaths in the United States Since 2001. or about 44 per year out of around 10,000 taserings per year in the USA, which is about 0.0044% fatal or 99.9956% safe.

But sooner or later the cops have to get the cuffs the raving nut job or the resisting arrest criminal. They can't just leave the idiots walking the streets.

We all know any method of persuasion carries risks.
Pepper spray, Tear Gas all can cause potentially fatal reactions,
K-9's can do serious damage,
plastic and bean-bag bullets can kill,
Nightsticks crack skulls,
and choke holds - we have read about choke holds gone wrong "

For now, Tasering these problem people, that refuse to obey a lawful order to submit, presents at least a extremely low chance of death.

Heck people die just being thrown to the ground in a fight but what are the odds?

BTW: A recent DOD study found the rate of severe injuries was only 0.6 percent.

So before jumping on the band wagon to ban Tasers remember both
police departments & civil groups have claimed significant reductions in injury rates to both officers and suspects, from 2001 - 2012.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 07/02/13 - 08:50 am
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One last thing to chew

One last thing to chew on....

A review of available police reports nationwide indicates that at least half of the estimated 375 to 500 people shot and killed by police each year in this country have serious mental problems.

Want to be PC and save a Nut Job 99.+% of the time?

Taser him.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/02/13 - 09:54 am
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Don't you just love that the taser "was seized"?

"GBI Special Agent in Charge Pat Morgan confirmed that investigators seized a Taser at the scene, but couldn’t discuss its role in the death.

Why did you guys feel the need to phrase it that way? Just couldn't resist bumping up the hype to make people think there's more to this than there is? These deputies automatically would have turned their tasers over to the GBI investigators, if for no other reason than to find out if something had malfunctioned and caused this perp's death.

This reads like the immature phrasing of a recent J-school grad. And negligent editing.

lifelongresident
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lifelongresident 07/02/13 - 10:38 am
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get ready for al and jessie,
Unpublished

get ready for al and jessie, of course the outcry will be raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism "cause da po-leece is be white fo sho and dey saw dat man and kilt him cause dey hab nuthin else to do fo sho ahh doo but picks own blaks pee-po dey probly shooted him too and nah dey tryin to cubber it up"

navycubfan
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navycubfan 07/02/13 - 11:18 am
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Agree with ICL....

Concerning the release of the names.. I believe in this situation it's in the best interest of the deputies that the names be withheld. Last I heard we have a thing called "innocent until PROVEN guilty." By releasing the names before the determination of misconduct, only fuels the fire. Let them have their peace for now.. then once the investigation is complete, release the names to for them to be praised or crucified in the media. If these folks are not animals (and I assume they aren't) they are already feeling pretty crummy because another human being died.

fishman960
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fishman960 07/02/13 - 11:26 am
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I'm with Austin

Freedom of Information means just that. Who is to decide what gets shared and what doesn't?
I don't care who you are or what organization you are from. When you act like you have something to hide, usually you do.
Is there a legal reason for the names to be withheld? Or is it just to keep "the wolves at bay"?
I could care less about the actual names, I do not care for the precedent.

Marinerman1
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Marinerman1 07/02/13 - 11:27 am
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Taze On !!

Tasers have been tested on many people - every LEO that carries one, has been tased. It has been used on heart challenged people with no ill effects. However, there can always be a certain set of circumstances that make the taser slightly more dangerous. All in all, it is still an excellent, for the most part, non-lethal defensive device. If this particular person had drugs in his system, and he had a heart problem, that could be the reason for the cardiac arrest -- his problem. Plus he resisted as stated above.

Sweet son
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Sweet son 07/02/13 - 11:48 am
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The only reason Autin wants to know is so that he can

use the names to sensationalize his radio program!

PhiloPublius
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PhiloPublius 07/02/13 - 11:50 am
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Q Q

Q Q

corgimom
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corgimom 07/02/13 - 01:29 pm
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I think they are waiting to

I think they are waiting to determine the cause of death and will release the names when the coroner rules.

Because nobody knows at this time if the Taser was responsible for the death. When somebody is shot, it's known that was the cause of death.

navycubfan
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navycubfan 07/02/13 - 01:35 pm
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FIshman..

I'm not saying that the names should be withheld indefinitely...just until the investigation is concluded. Get the info from the Taser, was it activated once or 15 times.. I'm for protection until the results are out.

fishman960
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fishman960 07/02/13 - 02:02 pm
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Realization.

Question? Is the withholding of names legal or illegal at this point. (Take the Austin factor out of it since he already knows the names)
If it is indeed illegal, then the police are breaking the law. To me, either they are or they are not. There is no "in between."
It's funny, we are praising the police for stopping the suspect for breaking the law, but condone the police for doing the same thing.
Breaking the law is breaking the law regardless of the reason.
Now if there is a legal reason to withhold the names, that is something else altogether.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/02/13 - 02:54 pm
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Some in the media

Some in the media recently made a horrendous mistake reporting an officer had died when it hadn't happened. They should wait for the RCSO to release information. The Sheriff's Office is cautious and has reasons for what they report to the public....or don't.

navycubfan
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navycubfan 07/02/13 - 03:03 pm
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Sorry Austin

Fishman...I could care less of Austin's opinion.. the true question is as you stated, is it illegal or not? Like I said, I don't see any reason why it's important for the names of the deputies involved to be released BEFORE a determination of conduct (ie were procedures followed, etc) is made. I think most people want to know now so they can do their own investigating of the deputies histories and make their own judgements of guilt and motives. IF the names are never released.. then it's wrong. but waiting??? I don't think so.

fishman960
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fishman960 07/02/13 - 03:06 pm
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@ River.

Respectfully disagree with you again. But I will await the results. It will be interesting if an overuse of force will come out of this.
Eventually, we will learn who the three deputies were.

fishman960
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fishman960 07/02/13 - 03:11 pm
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Captain D's

When Tim Tobias shot and killed Joseph Gooden and the GBI investigated, there was no withholding of names due to "An ongoing investigation."

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/02/13 - 03:44 pm
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I hear some in the media

I hear some in the media saying they are talking with law enforcement personnel who are telling them the "real" facts. I suggest anyone in the media go through the proper RCSO channels and false information such as the death of someone who hasn't yet died won't be wrongly publicized.

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