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Sheriff's crime district to follow old CADI boundaries

Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:08 PM
Last updated Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:15 AM
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Only property owners who paid for the Clean Augusta Downtown Initiative will be asked to approve and pay for Sheriff Richard Roundtree’s Continually Patrolled District.

Roundtree, who last week said owners outside the CADI district would be allowed to participate, said Tuesday he’ll petition only those within the CADI district, which spanned roughly Eighth to 13th streets between Greene Street and the Savannah River.

He’ll mail out information about the program to those owners soon and begin meeting with them Thursday, Roundtree said.

Others who desire extra law enforcement “can come to one of the meetings” or “contact us” if they want, but won’t receive information about the program, Roundtree said.

In the 500 block of Broad, art studio owner Roy Davenport said he saw no need for a new tax to fund extra law enforcement.

“I’m against any new taxes, I don’t care what they are,” Davenport said, adding that the proprietor of neighboring adult entertainment venues already keeps enough law enforcement on hand to make him feel safe.

If no other owners ask to be included, the future of the district will be left to owners in the former district, which narrowly approved renewing the CADI’s “clean ambassador” program by 51 percent.

The Augusta Commission cited other owners’ complaints about CADI last year when the body declined, despite the approval, to renew that district.

Originally proposed to span from Fifth to 13th streets, the CADI district was tailored to exclude businesses such as Bill’s Place, whose owner Bill Prince opposed it.

A former district, established in the 1970s to fund construction of the downtown parking wells, taxed downtown businesses from Sixth to 10th streets for nearly 20 years until it was abolished.

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Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 07/24/13 - 10:14 pm
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Amateurish

Man, this new program looks like a bake sale. Last week we saw the sheriff touting the program on the lower side of town. Now, it's back up to the upper side.

We're movin' on up - - - to the east side - - -
To a de - luxe a - partment in the sky
We're movin' on up - - - to the east side - - -
We've fin - ’ly got a piece of the pie.

Why should the lower end merchants not pay? Why should the upper end merchants pay?

This whole idea is a disaster.

Go back to the drawing board, Fred. You are making the sheriff look like a clown.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/25/13 - 05:15 am
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Like the Concept

I want to encourage the concept. The mall has a large police force including vehicles all paid for by the stores that rent space there. So why not downtown?

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 07/25/13 - 06:59 am
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Legality

Is it really legal to charge an extra tax to provide a service that these businesses already pay taxes for? This sounds like the protection scams that have been run in the larger cities. They only difference is that those were run by Mafia or Gangs, or is there a difference??

seenitB4
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seenitB4 07/25/13 - 07:02 am
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do you want more shoppers

Pay for extra police control...the mall has it....nice gated neighborhoods have it...sports venues have it...etc.It makes a difference to me when I'm out....I look for the security guys.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 07/25/13 - 07:04 am
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coldbeer

YOU don't need security....but a woman does...i look for security when I'm shopping...in todays world it is very important to me..

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/25/13 - 07:12 am
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Individual businesses have

Individual businesses have been paying for extra police protection forever in all cities. What's the difference if some band together? Especially if the majority of them approve paying extra for it?

marylou22
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marylou22 07/25/13 - 07:18 am
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Old Cadi Boundry

Best idea I've heard in a long time this should improve security for downtown augusta like nothing else As far as the CP'S nothing wrong with the idea except all you get from soldiers is Yes Sir and No Sir way better manners than draft age Army yes even stores that close at 5 or 6 should bare the burden of the extra taxes

GnipGnop
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GnipGnop 07/25/13 - 07:30 am
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They have a name for this....

extortion!! Don't forget that a lot of businesses that served alcohol lost business with Rolling Thunder. There is a difference between security and being hassled. Besides the fact that taxes paid should already take care of the police protecting areas that need it more. This is a load of crap in a city where the only ideas commissioners can come up with is more taxes. Next up? Oxygen tax!

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 07/25/13 - 07:38 am
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Correction..

The DDA and and the CADI Company did NOT get 51% of the owners to sign on for extending the BID last time. Susan, get your facts straight.

They submitted enough names, but when the actual petitions were given close scrutiny it showed that they most certainly did not have a majority, in fact it fell far short.

This is not going to be easy to get passed.

Brad

P.S. Who will control the money, where it is spend and where the additional security patrols? In a BID the property owners control that through a board, will the Sheriff agree to that?

Shortcomment
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Shortcomment 07/25/13 - 07:46 am
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Sounds more like

a surcharge to get the level of service that taxes were paying for already?

Kind of like walking into McDonalds buying a Happy Meal and then being asked... Do you want Fries and a Burger with that?

If it wasn't a Government Service, I'd would have called it a
Mafia protection scheme.

Enough said.

...point to ponder
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...point to ponder 07/25/13 - 08:32 am
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...no new tax/fee for security

I believe our elected so called "leadership" is missing in action!
First they have to take a 'tour' of Riverwalk... the first sign of trouble they they don't know anything about our downtown.

Then, they assign the Sheriff to do their dirty work. They don't have a clue what taxes are paid in already from the CBD in this affected area. If they did they would already know they generate a lot from fees and sales tax and property tax already to handle all the existing needs for clean up and added security.

Such a farce!

lifelongresident
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lifelongresident 07/25/13 - 08:36 am
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why not make the people who
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why not make the people who spawn the thugs and criminals pay, deduct 10% from "dey welfare check" if they live in public housing or recieve any type of "gub-i-ment" benefits..exempt the elderly and disabled (not those who son "got da add" type of disability) i bet crime rates will decrease over 90% becasue the welfare, leeches, moochers, parasitic broodmares giving birth to the rats, roaches, and vermin committing these crimes may not want to be parents but they will become more responsible "cause dey welfare chek gittin cut"

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 07/25/13 - 08:45 am
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Before Consolidation

Before Consolidation the APD had beat officers walking and patrolling downtown. After consolidation that disappeared. Consolidation promised, there will be no change. Judicious scheduling and assignments could take care of this without additional taxes or personnel!! Just as the cleanup and repairs of Riverwalk should fall on a Department heads shoulders without an added expense. This maintenance was supposed to have been done all along. It's time for some housekeeping with personnel in ARC. In private industry several people would be looking for new employment and some would be spending time in a small room with an unfavorable roommate!! (Jail)

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 07/25/13 - 08:52 am
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Understand the Womans point of view.

I understand the Womans point of view about security. In the mall all the stores basically keep the same hours and all share in the costs and benefits. In a gated community it's the same. The mall has chosen to do so after many incidents began to hurt the bottom line. Broad St. or any other areas of the county are not made up the same nor do all the occupants have the same needs. If ARC wants to build it in hopes they will come, then they need to step up just as other citys have! I'll bet the DDA budget would cover those expenses!

grinder48
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grinder48 07/25/13 - 09:11 am
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Bill Prince?
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Was going to start at 5th St but move to 8th St b/c Mr. Prince was against it? So if one person on eack block oppose it those blocks will be excluded? Wierd. I can't help but agree with those who express frustration with being taxed additionally for police protection that they're already being taxed for. And - like CBBP wrote - I remember groing up - before consolidation - when cops walked beats all over downtown. Sure don't see much of that any more.

augrichgal
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augrichgal 07/25/13 - 09:30 am
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What in the world is this?

What in the world is this? Where does he come up with this stuff? Thanks to all that placed him in this position and that are guiding him. Take care of crime like a police force should and do not make people pay extra tax money for it. GEESH
If any tax money should be used it, it should go towards cleaning up the south and east sections of Richmond County. Our roads and landscaping are embarrassing.
I grew up in south augusta and I am seriously considering moving to Carolina or Columbia County.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/25/13 - 10:09 am
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The mall has extra security

The mall has extra security because the police don't patrol the mall, it's private property. The only time the police come to the mall is when they are called.

You cannot compare the two.

Cameron Poe
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Cameron Poe 07/25/13 - 10:28 am
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I have said it before and I

I have said it before and I will say it again. Before we start asking for money and taxes let's try doing what we were supposed to be doing all along and see how that plays out. The Riverwalk should've been maintained all along. There is no need for more money to do so. If there is no money to clean it up then we need to look and see where the money originally intended for that purpose went. Before asking for more money for police downtown let's try and have the police that are already assigned to downtown get out and walk around and get to know their area. No more just parking cars in random places and sitting next to each other chatting. This happens all too much downtown.

And yes corgimom I agree. The mall is paying for private security. They are not paying for more of our public police force. The taxes already pay for that.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 07/25/13 - 10:36 am
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corgimom - makes a good point about Mall Security

The RCSO only shows up when called.

General private security is cheaper than any Government funded Police force, or Special Coverage policies.

We hire out various services now, that are cheaper than the government provided service would cost the TAX Payers.

So, Why not allow ARC franchised/licensed/certified contractors
called "Constables" to patrol the areas on foot and bikes, only calling in RCSO as needed?

Some cities do this now.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 07/25/13 - 10:47 am
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The mall

The Mall pays off duty Deputies when needed to patrol the parking lots.
Constables downtown, not unless you want a Zimmerman like trial in Aug!!!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/25/13 - 11:05 am
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Lots of the mall security

Lots of the mall security cops are off duty RCSO officers. But, okay, the point I'm making is the businesses downtown can band together to provide similar protection as the mall does. Whether they pay by a tax or a voluntary payment into some type of fund can be worked out.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 07/25/13 - 11:39 am
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Your Name or Your Brains will be on that paper

When Queen Margaret Woodard cornered a property owner and wanted him to sign the CADI petition, all she could do was talk about how wonderful the program would be and ask pretty please to say, "Yes."

When the sheriff officer approaches a property owner, he'll be able to say, "Do you want us to respond to your calls for help? Then you might want to sign this petition."

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 07/25/13 - 01:10 pm
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Politics...

In politics sometimes you are measured by your failures as much as your successes. Once something like this is proposed it MUST pass and be done (especially given the attention this crime issue has gotten downtown as of late) or the person proposing it will own the "failure" of not being able to get it done.

I think the Sheriff has gotten some really bad advice on this issue from someone.

This will not be a breeze to get passed and if they think they can just go back and get the same "51%" to sign again, they will be mistaken.

I hope the Sheriff is not listening to the likes of the DDA on this issue.

Brad

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 07/25/13 - 01:40 pm
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Opt Out

It may be that owners of high-dollar parcels down there will opt out of the taxes. If some opt out, then they don't count in the vote tally, and the numbers will be skewed. But they still will receive the benefit of continuous patrols because their parcels lie within the district. It's kind of crazy when you have non-election officials running an election. The rules can be made up (and changed) as they proceed. No one will be able to track anything.

Duende
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Duende 08/02/13 - 10:30 pm
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Security??? Where? You people

Security??? Where? You people need to cut that out. That's problem with Augusta, they tax and spend money on [filtered word].Instead of something that is improving Augusta.

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