10 years in SC dog-dragging case

Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:58 PM
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GREENVILLE, S.C. — A Greenville man has been sentenced to more than 10 years in prison after admitting he dragged a dog for at least 2 miles behind his pickup truck.

Circuit Judge Letitia Verdin told Roger Owens that what he did was one of the cruelest things she had ever seen before sentencing him Tuesday. Rogers was given the maximum of five years on the ill treatment of animals charge and additional time for traffic violations.

Prosecutors say Owens tied the dog’s front legs to the pickup’s tailgate in December and sped off, forcing the dog to run on its hind legs on the pavement. The dog suffered serious injuries, but survived and was adopted.

Owens’ lawyer told the judge her client cares for animals, but was drinking and wasn’t thinking straight.

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Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/16/14 - 02:27 pm
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Frankly, I don't get it.

The guy obviously is horrible and what he did was exceedingly cruel, but this is a dog, a creature that is not even aware of its own existence, and it didn't even kill the dog. Ten years seems disproportional to the crime and it is clear that the judge did some piling on over and above the max sentence for the act.

Yet sucking out the brain of a baby about to enter the world, crushing its little skull and possibly cutting its little body into pieces doesn't elicit even a murmur, much less legal action and punishment.

How have we become a nation that happily kills its own children yet foams at the mouth and sends out death threats over the plight of stray dogs?

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 02:49 pm
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Because nobody ever has a

Because nobody ever has a late-term abortion that is happy about it, Fiat Lux, and I don't know of one single person, ever, that is happy about abortion.

For you to suggest that people "happily" have abortions is very odd, indeed.

Every person I have ever known that is pro-choice hopes the day comes where there aren't any more abortions.

But then when you see people against IUD's and Plan B drugs, which would prevent somebody from having an abortion, people don't like that either.

And nobody knows how IUD's work, and the Plan B drugs aren't abortion drugs- but you just cannot convince some people of the truth.

The Plan B drug is nothing but a concentrated dose of hormones. It does not cause abortions.

The drugs that do cause abortions are very unreliable and usually don't work. Through the 5,000 years of evolution, once that egg implants, a drug can't abort it without killing the mother, too.

Because the women that could easily abort usually didn't carry children to term, and so wouldn't perpetuate that trait.

The truth is, the contraception that we have isn't very good. You either have to get something implanted in your body or risk pregnancy.

And if somebody gets pregnant, whatever the circumstances, and doesn't want to be, they shouldn't have to be. The idea that the government can force a woman to carry an unwanted child is abhorrent.

And while your personal viewpoint may be that a fetus is a person, legally, it's not.

graceful_sin
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graceful_sin 07/16/14 - 02:52 pm
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sure if they included his

sure if they included his LAST name his fate would be similar..shame the law got him before anyone else did...and what the eyff does "abortion" have to do with this atrocity??..PROUD PRO CHOICE...i have more sympathy and respect for animals these days

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/14 - 02:53 pm
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I agree Fiat- I don't see

I agree Fiat- I don't see animals rights recognized by the constitution. This ruling for ten years is excessive and should be examined as bias by the judge. The same judge has probably given other crimes against people less time than for this. Since when did cruelty to animals warrant ten years in prison. That's nuts.

burninater
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burninater 07/16/14 - 03:01 pm
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Fiat, your case based on

Fiat, your case based on self-awareness would lead to the same outcome, as empirical studies have shown that adult dogs are demonstrably self-aware. Empirical studies indicate that newborns are also self-aware -- and the homicide of newborns is, in fact, prosecuted as a homicide.

Further, almost 90% of abortions in the U.S. occur in the first trimester; brain waves are not present in a human fetus until the 8th week of development, and a claim that self-awareness occurs prior to brain activity would be controversial to say the least. Claiming that self-awareness is a general circumstance in abortion is grossly misleading, and in the majority of cases, simply false.

This is not to say that ethical claims for human species superiority don't exist -- but self-awareness is not unique to the human species, and not a sound basis for such claims.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/14 - 03:02 pm
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The drugs that do cause

The drugs that do cause abortions are very unreliable and usually don't work. Through the 5,000 years of evolution, once that egg implants, a drug can't abort it without killing the mother, too.
We've evolved longer than 5000 years and yes medical abortion using prostaglandins or mifepristone combinations abort after implantation 59-65 days gestation.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/14 - 03:21 pm
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Funny even newborn infants

Funny even newborn infants are not self- aware that develops later. The fetus is kept hormonal asleep till birth, but the thalamus- cortical connections for " consciousness" exist by third trimester.
"It is well recognized that infants have no awareness of their own state, emotions and motivations. Even older children who can speak have very limited insight into their own actions. Anybody who has raised a boy is familiar with the blank look on your teenager’s face when you ask him why he did something particularly rash. A shrug and “I dunno—it seemed like a good idea at the time” is the most you’ll hear.
" I think Fiat is referring to the mirror test- dogs fail to recognize themselves in a mirror- as humans and some other mammals can. Dogs lack self awareness when seeing themselves in a mirror.

Dseven
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Dseven 07/16/14 - 03:20 pm
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Fiat is right

Fiat... you are right.

burninater
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burninater 07/16/14 - 03:22 pm
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Biz, there has been recent

Biz, there has been recent work challenging the idea that newborns have no self-awareness.

http://www.livescience.com/41398-baby-awareness.html

I'd argue that the "insight into one's actions" criteria you bring up is separate from self-awareness, though. Some self-aware people exhibit a life habit of "chronic bad judgment," which seems at least similar to the inability to have insight into one's actions.

JB68
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JB68 07/16/14 - 03:23 pm
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Corgi

Your rant makes no sense because:
1. There are exactly ZERO women in this country who are denied, by others, access to plan B drugs or IUDs.
2. This blog is about a man dragging a dog.

This man needs counseling not 10 years in prison.

burninater
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burninater 07/16/14 - 03:31 pm
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"Fiat... you are

"Fiat... you are right."
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Well, on the claim that dogs are not self-aware, Fiat is actually not right.

Neither is Fiat right on the claim that abortions generally involve the destruction of self-aware entities.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 07/16/14 - 03:28 pm
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I agree with Fiat

And I think this guy is deranged and dangerous to society!

burninater
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burninater 07/16/14 - 03:46 pm
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Here's a little more insight

Here's a little more insight into his priors -- I don't think the 10 years was simply a product of this single case.

Take note that this animal cruelty offense occurred just two years after the end of a 12-month sentence for assaulting a police officer while resisting arrest.

"Roger Owens was arrested on August 24, 2005 and charged with malicious cruelty to animals/malicious injury to personal property valued at $5,000. By the time the disposition was completed in Magistrates General Sessions Court by Judge Horace Butler, Jr., charges had been reduced to malicious cruelty to animals/malicious injury to personal property valued at $1,000.

Owens pled guilty and was sentenced to 40 days in jail and paid a fine of $125 was paid on April 18, 2006 receipt number 78321.

On February 27, 2011 Owens was charged with resisting / assault, beat, or wound police officer serving process or while resisting arrest. Owens pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 12 months."

http://www.examiner.com/article/marietta-man-ticketed-for-dragging-dog-h...

The above link has a list of prior legal actions to 1990. I won't paste it here as it would take up the entire page.

jimmymac
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jimmymac 07/16/14 - 04:21 pm
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CRUELTY
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This man's cruelty to a helpless animal should warrant harsh punishment. If he'd do something as heinous as this to an innocent dog he wouldn't hesitate doing something as cruel to a human unable to defend itself. His prior criminal history shows he's a menace to society and should be locked up for as long as the law allows.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 07/16/14 - 04:55 pm
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Thanks for the background

Thanks for the background Burn. I was about to weigh in on the side that thinks 10 years is excessive for an animal cruelty charge, but considering this guy's history, it seems more than fair.

That said, I do think some people overestimate an animal's "rights". No one loves their dogs any more than I do, or gets any more emotional than I do when I lose one; but at the end of the day they are just property in the eyes of the law.

burninater
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burninater 07/16/14 - 05:26 pm
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Iad1, offenses like this

Iad1, offenses like this aren't prosecuted from a legal basis of animal rights. They are prosecuted from the legal principle that certain human behaviors should be considered criminally deviant in ways that other behaviors are not.

For example, 1st degree and 2nd degree murder are punished differently not due to a difference in rights, but due to the belief and precedent that one behavior is more criminally deviant.

burninater
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burninater 07/16/14 - 06:16 pm
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And you're welcome on the

And you're welcome on the background, Iad1.

Thank you for the thanks!

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/16/14 - 06:23 pm
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Proudly pro choice?

Really? You're proud that women can choose to kill their unborn children if they are inconvenient and they don't feel like carrying them to term and giving them to a grateful family who would love them forever? Seriously?

That right there, Corgi, is what I mean by "happily". It refers to those who inhabit the moral abyss where killing unborn children is perfectly acceptable for any reason or for no reason at all. I believe you greatly overestimate the compunction most mothers who abort their children actually have, at least going into the process.

But in America and many other nations, it's hell to pay for animal cruelty but no harm-no foul for killing an inconvenient baby. That's just sick.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 06:32 pm
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Go back and read the story

Go back and read the story carefully.

He didn't get 10 years for animal cruelty.

He got 5 years for animal cruelty and 5 years for traffic violations.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 06:39 pm
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If you want to think that a

If you want to think that a fetus is a child, you are welcome to think that.

I do not.

And as long as fertility clinics fertilize dozens of eggs, and discard the fertilized embryos, don't talk to me about killing children.

If you want to take the position that abortion is killing a child, then close the fertility clinics. I have never once seen you on here advocating that.

The Catholic Church has stated that IVF is evil.

I don't see the fertility clinics closing, do you?

I don't know of anybody that takes abortion lightly. I don't know of anybody that takes an invasive surgical procedure lightly.

However, if somebody does, then yes, they should not bear a child. Because if that's their attitude towards abortion, they will not provide the proper prenatal care to have a healthy baby.

And while you think that couples are clamoring to adopt babies, the truth is if it's a mixed child, a black child, a child born drug addicted, or a child born with physical deformities or mental retardation, that baby's chances of adoption are near zero.

If so many people wanted to adopt children, there wouldn't be nearly 500,000 children in foster care.

Results don't lie.

If people didn't want abortions, they wouldn't have them.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 06:42 pm
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Bizkit, read this sentence

Bizkit, read this sentence again:

"The drugs that do cause abortions are very unreliable and usually don't work."

I think that is pretty clear as to what that means.

Tamoxifen can sometimes induce abortions, too, but again- it is very unreliable and usually doesn't work.

I don't know what else to tell you.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 06:43 pm
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And the Constitution doesn't

And the Constitution doesn't say anything about animal rights, because animals don't have rights.

However, there are state laws against cruelty to animals.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 06:46 pm
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And by the way, Fiat, I'm not

And by the way, Fiat, I'm not the one who said anything about being proud, you are confusing me with graceful_sin.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/14 - 06:48 pm
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JB68, if you cant afford to

JB68, if you cant afford to buy it, then yes, you are denied it.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/14 - 07:00 pm
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Burn I don't doubt it I

Burn I don't doubt it I personally think consciousness starts before birth. At five months they are startled by loud noises,etc. they have the needed neuroanatomical structures.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/14 - 07:06 pm
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Corgi most birth controls

Corgi most birth controls aren't effective " in actual use". The morning after methods are something like 75-85 percent effective. Course a lot of the problem with birth control is human error. LOL

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/14 - 07:12 pm
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Animal consciousness interest

Animal consciousness interest me- it has been studied most in certain birds. They have a different neuroanatomy but it appears to function similarly. Makes wonder about octopus

sassylassie
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sassylassie 07/16/14 - 07:52 pm
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This is one sick individual

This is one sick individual based on his past criminal profile and current issues. He deserves the prison time. I don't feel sorry for him ONE BIT. Thanks to the judge for having the guts to get him off the street.

JRC2024
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JRC2024 07/16/14 - 10:11 pm
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Pets are wonderful and the

Pets are wonderful and the man deserved everything he received. It takes a sick person to be cruel to a pet that asks nothing in return but food and love. They give that in abundance. This has nothing to do with abortion and that is a situation that will never be settled in our lifetime. But I believe people should be able to use any kind of birth control that they want.

amarie525
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amarie525 07/16/14 - 10:36 pm
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Amen JRC

Someone, and usually a man, will try to bring the topic of abortion into any hot topic; and thus ensues this abortion debate. The subject is the cruelty on a dog by this animal. He deserves his sentence and I am happy the dog has found a loving home.

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