Georgia delays welfare drug tests

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ATLANTA — Georgia officials say they will delay enforcement of a new law that allows drug testing of welfare recipients.

In April, Gov. Nathan Deal signed off on the bill allowing drug testing for some welfare and food stamp recipients. The new law took effect Tuesday.

Deal spokesman Brian Robinson tells The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the state will hold off on implementing the law until a federal appeals court rules on a related Florida case.

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lovingthesouth72
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lovingthesouth72 07/02/14 - 12:12 pm
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Maybe our politicians should be tested for drugs first!!

jimmymac
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jimmymac 07/02/14 - 12:18 pm
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LAW
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When I worked I was tested at random for drug use. Why shouldn't welfare people have to do the same? Seeing how many consider welfare a lifetime employment opportunity shouldn't us, their "employer" have a right to demand the same?

Dixieman
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Dixieman 07/02/14 - 12:26 pm
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Fine.

And let's suspend all welfare payments until the situation is resolved too.

BamaMan
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BamaMan 07/02/14 - 12:35 pm
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??!!

I have to be tested to get ANY job these days. Why in sam hill does there even HAVE to be a law for welfare sponges to be tested???

Time1
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Time1 07/02/14 - 12:41 pm
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Georgia signed legislation

Georgia signed legislation that would require thousands of people applying for welfare to pass a drug test before they could receive benefits. So all you have to do is go drug free for a couple weeks before you apply and you got it made. The law should go further and require random drug testing like most of the working class. If your employer finds you positive you lost your job so if you test positive on welfare you lost your welfare.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 07/02/14 - 01:01 pm
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I am sure you have already

I am sure you have already figured out the two reasons why this law demonstrates the utter stupidity of our legislature and governor, but on the off chance you have not, here they are.

1) It costs more to drug test the potential recipients than the amount you will save by denying some of them welfare payments. These economic calculations are based on pilot studies done in other states.

2) The similar Florida law has already been ruled an unreasonable search and seizure. There is no reason to presume someone is on drugs because they are on welfare. This is not me talking - it is the federal judge.

When you add it all up, you uncover the hateful, spiteful, types of lawmakers we have in the state of Georgia. They would spend MORE of every taxpayers money just to deprive a drug user of a welfare check he or she is otherwise entitled to, AND they would do this in violation of the fourth amendment of the constitution of the USA.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/02/14 - 01:05 pm
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BamaMan, no, there are still

BamaMan, no, there are still plenty of jobs out there that don't require drug testing. With a few exceptions, employers are not required to do it- they do it so that they can pay lower premiums on their workman's comp and liability insurance.

Anybody that hires subcontractors don't need to do them, because the subs are self-employed. And they usually don't.

There are exceptions as provided by law, like nuclear power plants, law enforcement, medical personnel, but for most employers, they don't have to.

JustSpeakingMyMind
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JustSpeakingMyMind 07/02/14 - 01:10 pm
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It should be no reason to

It should be no reason to presume that because I have a job I am on drugs either, but if I want to keep my job I have to submit to random drug screens. This nation will not survive 10 more years going in the direction we are currently headed.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/02/14 - 01:11 pm
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What WBC said is true. I

What WBC said is true.

I say, follow the money. Look who owns the drug testing companies.

And the tests are truly ridiculous, now that medical marijuana is coming in, and just about everybody has been prescribed opiates for one thing or another.

It accomplishes nothing except spend a lot of taxpayer money for NOTHING, and makes the drug testing lab owners rich.

Many people on welfare are disabled and are legally taking prescribed drugs. It is unreasonable to assume that they are guilty of using illegal drugs with no proof. It is not a crime to be poor, it is not a crime to apply for welfare. It is not a crime to take legally prescribed opiates. And soon, there will be prescribed marijuana, too.

In this country, people are innocent until proven guilty, and there has to be reasonable cause, and applying for legal welfare benefits is not reasonable cause. It is also not illegal to take illegal drugs, it's just illegal to possess them.

Darby
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Darby 07/02/14 - 01:23 pm
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"It costs more to drug test the potential

recipients than the amount you will save by denying some of them welfare payments."

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Here we go again... Another liberal spouting off about policy without proof. (Just as we hear everyday concerning global warming.)

Don't want to hear about ambiguous "pilot" tests in other states. If you are going to state a position as a fact, then SHOW YOUR WORK!

Or just be honest and say you're giving your opinion.

Sweet son
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Sweet son 07/02/14 - 01:28 pm
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Tests won't ever happen.

Don't worry recipients, 'Obummer' and the feds will make sure that the honey keeps flowing freely. If someone was giving me multiple freebie pay checks I should have to be free of street drugs. We also know that the food stamps are like gold in the 'low rent' communities. Just get 'em and someone will be available to change them into cash for 50 cents on the dollar.

Darby
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Darby 07/02/14 - 01:29 pm
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I've got a really GREAT IDEA!

Let's have every governor take a page from The Great and Powerful Wizard of OzBama's rulebook.

Let's see all governors begin to issue executive orders implementing whatever policy changes they'd like to see take place.

If it's good for the goose....

It might even hasten the end to the insanity coming out of the Oval Office.

It certainly works for me!

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OJP 07/02/14 - 01:55 pm
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Epitome of misguided legislation.

Florida has learned that this costs way more money than it saves, and at the same time impugns the dignity of down-on-their-luck Americans.

And I will never support drug testing welfare recipients unless recipients of the mortgage interest tax deduction are also drug tested. And federally subsidized student loan recipients. And child tax credit recipients. And... etc.

OJP
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OJP 07/02/14 - 01:58 pm
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@Darby

Here's proof it doesn't work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare...

"[T]he cost to [Florida] was $118,140. This is more than would have been paid out in benefits to the people who failed the test ... as a result, the testing cost the government an extra $45,780."

This idea is nothing more than corporate welfare for the drug testing lobby.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/02/14 - 02:24 pm
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Sweet son, how do you sell

Sweet son, how do you sell food stamps when now there are EBT cards?

I haven't seen food stamps, except for emergency issues, for years.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/02/14 - 02:25 pm
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JustSpeaking, you have the

JustSpeaking, you have the right to refuse the drug test and you have the right to find another job that doesn't require them, and they are out there. You submit to them voluntarily, because you decide that you want to stay employed there. That's a choice that you make.

There is no other welfare program.

Dudeness
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Dudeness 07/02/14 - 04:28 pm
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The NY Times article left out

The NY Times article left out a very important item in calculating costs of the Florida law, the number of people who refused to take the test (about 1,600). That amount combined with those who failed made up about 20% of the welfare users based on numbers from the Department of Children and Families. Money saved from not paying out those benefits makes up for the cost of tests immediately.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-blocks-flas-new-welfare-drug-testing-law/

Stunned 2
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Stunned 2 07/02/14 - 04:37 pm
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A Generation of People getting free handouts has been created

Not only with Taxpayer's money in the Government's Welfare, Food-Stamp, Free College, Subsidized housing programs, but also 'charitable' programs have fueled these recipients' expectations of society. These free-loaders go around - during the holidays - from one give away to the next piling up 'presents' from the good-hearted, and then swapping and selling them for drugs & alcohol. I have been guilty, in the past, of contributing to those 'Angel trees, Bring a present to Work for the needy, 'Let's support a Family this Christmas', etc. - But Never again. They expect it and laugh at us for 'giving'.
If you haven't already heard this radio call, I've posted a link & included some of the conversation:

http://www.viralconservative.com/wow-32-year-old-welfare-recipient-on-wh...

“ While workers out there preaching about morality, why should I work? I get to sit home, I get to visit my friends all day, I get to smoke weed all day…My check comes on time every month….We even get subsidized housing, ..we get Christmas presents delivered to our kids… Don’t see the need for it (work)…
The system is there, It’s available…"
DJ: “Sounds like you intend to stay on Welfare the rest of your life?’
Caller: “Yeah. They encourage you to stay on the programs. They tell you about more programs every time you go in"

“Ya’ll (people that work) are the stupid ones”

Mel257
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Mel257 07/02/14 - 08:53 pm
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Food stamps are sold by

Food stamps are sold by selling their EBT card with $200 on it for $100 cash. Then they call 888-421-3281 & order another card at no cost to them. The person who bought the card justs throws the card away after they use it.

Darby
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Darby 07/02/14 - 10:16 pm
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Gotta love the

loony liberal logic....

Yeah, let's drug test people who pay taxes, and contribute to the economy. That "mortgage interest tax deduction" is just an overly intrusive government, allowing people to keep a little more of what they have already earned and paid taxes on to begin with.

In the meantime, let's pitch a hissy fit over assuring that at least some of our hard earned taxes are not wasted on meth and crack smoking deadbeats who have mastered the art of scamming the system while living off the sweat of another's labor. (Who BTW loyally vote for ANYTHING with a D following it's name.)

And speaking of scams, don't bore me with "statistics" from Florida. We've seen countless instances of the way liberals cherry pick "facts" and lie to us about everything from Benghazi to the IRS scandal to the VA assault on veterans to the phony "global warming" fiasco to the fabrications about the Keystone Pipeline to the current (Gee, I didn't see that one coming) invasion on our Southern border, to Fast and Furious, etc., etc., etc., et al.

If liberals had to rely on the truth to get elected or push their agenda, the house and Senate would be about 80 percent Republican and 20 percent independent.

Veracity is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN a liberal/progressive strong suit.

amarie525
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amarie525 07/02/14 - 11:11 pm
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my experience

Back in 1981, my Great-grandmother received some "government cheese"... She was in her early eighties, my Great-grandfather had passed and she was from a time when it a lot of women didn't learn how to drive a car, etc. She spent her working years in cotton fields, etc. Now she was on a very fixed income. I am glad she had that assistance available to her and I know she appreciated it. Fast forward, two months ago, I went to the circle K to get some lunch (Blimpies)...first I grab a red bull, the sign on the glass door says "red bull ebt accepted" REALLY?? Then I wait in line to order my sub and the two men in front of me who reeked of pot are of course, ordering subs with double everything. It took forever! I was shocked when they paid with an ebt card. My Great-grandmother's assistance was for essentials only and now it has come to this. I hope the drug testing eventually comes to fruition.

Kos
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Kos 07/02/14 - 11:55 pm
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It's a no - brainer
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I'm not a lawmaker but I got enough sense to know state official has no authority over Congress who fund Food Stamps and the only elected who can draft a bill to require recipients to be tested for drugs.

Republican Georgia elected (Republican Greg Morris who drafted the bill to drug test recipients) officials not too bright. And Gov. Deal and his Republican cronies must be under a control substance to attempt draft a bill that don't hold water.

You mean to tell me Georgians got elected officials and a governor working in Atlanta and they don't know that the state has no jurisdiction over federal agencies? Georgians are in peril.

just man
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just man 07/03/14 - 12:10 am
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Republican Georgia elected

Republican Georgia elected officials are so lost they don't even know their on job and they don't know the state has no jurisdiction over the federal government. So how Republicans going draft a bill and it passed without votes from Democrats and Georgia incomptent governor signed off on it when only Congress can pass laws to change Food Stamps? Republicans don't even know. Seem like they are under a control substances

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 07/03/14 - 02:03 am
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Y'all listen to Walter and

Y'all listen to Walter and OJP, they are speaking the truth. In my opinion, what would actually work without throwing money down the tubes and possibly violating someone's rights is to use dogs to randomly check welfare housing; from the outside of course. If they alert on a residence and drugs are found, throw them in the street and cut off the benefits. Grandma would be darned sure that her place was clean.

Stunned 2
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Stunned 2 07/03/14 - 06:01 am
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The system needs to refocus it's support towards the elderly

Welfare was never intended to be lifelong support. Men were never suppose to receive it. The government program began during the Great Depression when work was hard to find. A large number of Men abandoned their families, leaving wives that were not skilled or trained for work with starving kids.
I wish more charitable groups would refocus their attention towards the elderly instead of gathering up a bunch of toys & clothes for people that are lifelong recipients of health care, food, housing, etc. It just makes more sense. All of these annual food drives, toy drives, back to school drives, etc. have done more long term harm to society - than good. Those people expect it and make the rounds to every give away, then sell & swap the stuff for drugs or alcohol. Yes, even Church groups should reevaluate and refocus.

historylover
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historylover 07/03/14 - 08:15 am
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Actual history of welfare in the US

"The history of welfare in the U.S. started long before the government welfare programs we know were created. In the early days of the United States, the colonies imported the British Poor Laws. These laws made a distinction between those who were unable to work due to their age or physical health and those who were able-bodied but unemployed. The former group was assisted with cash or alternative forms of help from the government. The latter group was given public service employment in workhouses.

Throughout the 1800's welfare history continued when there were attempts to reform how the government dealt with the poor. Some changes tried to help the poor move to work rather than continuing to need assistance. Social casework, consisting of caseworkers visiting the poor and training them in morals and a work ethic was advocated by reformers in the 1880s and 1890s.

Prior to the Great Depression, the United States Congress supported various programs to assist the poor. One of these, a Civil War Pension Program was passed in 1862 and provided aid to Civil War Veterans and their families.

When the Great Depression hit, many families suffered. It is estimated that one-fourth of the labor force was unemployed during the worst part of the depression. With many families suffering financial difficulties, the government stepped in to solve the problem and that is where the history of welfare as we know it really began.

Under President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the Social Security Act was enacted in 1935. The act, which was amended in 1939, established a number of programs designed to provide aid to various segments of the population. Unemployment compensation and AFDC (originally Aid to Dependent Children) are two of the programs that still exist today."

So Stunned2, these are the actual facts.

I do not like the idea of people receiving benefits and then spending the money on drugs. The unfortunate fact is that most drug tests given only detect marijuana and opiates. The majority of drug abusers today other than those on heroin, use cocaine or meth. These wash out of your system in 24 hours and therefore will go undetected. The whole program is a pitiful "show" that will ultimately not change a thing. We need actual welfare reform. Any ideas?

KSL
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KSL 07/03/14 - 08:30 am
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Yes, scrap LBJ's Great

Yes, scrap LBJ's Great Society.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 07/03/14 - 08:36 am
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The logic is pretty clear.

The logic is pretty clear. Drug testing people costs money. When drug tests are applied to welfare recipients, few of them fail, but you pay for the test for all of them. Your total costs go up.

And the other, hidden, agenda is even more insidious. Issues like this are intended to support the notion that wealth in the USA is based on a hypermeritocracy. People are rich because they earned it. In reality, by far the stronger effect is that people are rich because their parents were rich (e.g., Morris, publisher of the Chronicle). There are plenty of deadbeat bums who went to prep schools, but they are not on welfare. If they were just average bums who were raised in horrid environments they likely are on welfare. No studied indicate that welfare is doing more harm than good - that is just marketing for the hypermeritocracy.

The next time someone suggests rich people "earned it", think of the good, hardworking people you know who work at Fort Gordon. At Georgia Power. For the police. Firefighters. REAL working Americans, who will never be rich. They will never be rich because, simply, they were not born with silver spoons in their mouths. And welfare exists for a simple reason. SOME of those people, by being lent a helping hand, will pull themselves out of the hole in their lives and start contributing to society again. Not all of them will, but we invest in them for the ones who will. Economic studies validate this approach as a great return on investment.

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historylover 07/03/14 - 08:43 am
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WBC

Very, very well put!

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seenitB4 07/03/14 - 08:53 am
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So you want to be rich--do this!

1. 70% of wealthy eat less than 300 junk food calories per day. 97% of poor people eat more than 300 junk food calories per day. 23% of wealthy gamble. 52% of poor people gamble.

2. 80% of wealthy are focused on accomplishing some single goal. Only 12% of the poor do this.

3. 76% of wealthy exercise aerobically four days a week. 23% of poor do this.

4. 63% of wealthy listen to audio books during commute to work vs. 5% of poor people.

5. 81% of wealthy maintain a to-do list vs. 19% of poor.

6. 63% of wealthy parents make their children read two or more non-fiction books a month vs. 3% of poor.

7. 70% of wealthy parents make their children volunteer 10 hours or more a month vs. 3% of poor.

8. 80% of wealthy make Happy Birthday calls vs. 11% of poor.

9. 67% of wealthy write down their goals vs. 17% of poor.

10. 88% of wealthy read 30 minutes or more each day for education or career reasons vs. 2% of poor.

11. 6% of wealthy say what’s on their mind vs. 69% of poor.

12. 79% of wealthy network five hours or more each month vs. 16% of poor.

13. 67% of wealthy watch one hour or less of TV every day vs. 23% of poor.

14. 6% of wealthy watch reality TV vs. 78% of poor.

15. 44% of wealthy wake up three hours before work starts vs. 3% of poor.

16. 74% of wealthy teach good daily success habits to their children vs. 1% of poor.

17. 84% of wealthy believe good habits create opportunity luck vs. 4% of poor.

18. 76% of wealthy believe bad habits create detrimental luck vs. 9% of poor.

19. 86% of wealthy believe in lifelong educational self-improvement vs. 5% of poor.

20. 86% of wealthy love to read vs. 26% of poor.

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