Rifles suggested in Ga. schools

Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2013 8:46 AM
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GAINESVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia school system is considering the idea of storing rifles in school offices in case they’re needed to defend students in a school shooting.

The Times of Gainesville reports City Schools Superintendent Merrianne Dyer says the rifles would be placed at Gainesville High School, Gainesville Middle School and Wood’s Mill Academy.

Dyer said the weapons would be locked inside safes in the offices of school resource officers. She said all school resource officers are armed, but recent training showed that handguns they carry would not be effective in long hallways or corridors.

Gainesville police had approached the schools about the idea in April, shortly after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Connecticut.

The school board is expected to vote on the issue in October.

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Ego556
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Ego556 09/04/13 - 11:08 am
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This is an excellent idea and

This is an excellent idea and should have been done years ago. My concern is some of the total idiots that are employed by local BOE's as safety officers.

Sweet son
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Sweet son 09/04/13 - 11:50 am
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Didn't mention the

type or caliber of the rifle. Just wondering?

Ego556
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Ego556 09/04/13 - 11:54 am
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Sweet - most likely

Sweet - most likely AR15's....they are the standard.

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ragingbull 09/04/13 - 01:13 pm
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Well, if their hand guns

Well, if their hand guns would not be effective in long hallways and corridors, are those who have criminal intent going to wait for them to retrieve their rifles? By the time they have run to their offices and opened the safe and retrieved their guns the damage could already be done. Good idea, but I think it opens up the opportunity for more crime.

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thauch12 09/04/13 - 02:35 pm
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What an incredibly stupid and

What an incredibly stupid and reactionary idea. Not only is this a tremendous waste of money, but it won't do anything short of appease the gun nuts. By the time the safety officer runs to his office, unlocks the safe, and barrels down the hallway to respond, God knows what the perp will have time to do.

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Ego556 09/04/13 - 02:41 pm
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not sure how it would create

not sure how it would create "more crime", but i would much rather the officers be able to match the firepower being used against them, then shoot a bunch of ineffective rounds. the sad thing is there are not enough officers to be in every school in the state, so that pretty much still leaves most elementary schools open to nut jobs since high schools and middle schools get priority. i support the idea of having retired officers and military acting as armed security at those unsecured schools. most would do it for free.

Ego556
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Ego556 09/04/13 - 02:48 pm
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guess he didn't like my first

guess he didn't like my first post. thauch12 would rather 15 or 20 minutes go by before first responders enter the school instead of 5 or less for a resource officer to get to their office. anti-gunners logic 101.

thauch12
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thauch12 09/04/13 - 03:53 pm
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No I merely acknowledge the

No I merely acknowledge the fact that the reality of such a thing happening is minutely low. On a completely different level, do you really want your child going to a school with armed patrols and metal detectors? What kind of childhood are we trying to give our kids? Furthermore, the amount of attention the media gives these school shooting stories and these insane "solutions" only encourages the problem and makes it seem like a much bigger problem than it really is.

Ego556
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Ego556 09/04/13 - 04:27 pm
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i see...you like to blame

i see...you like to blame objects instead of the person for their decisions. i already knew that from your previous post, but wanted you to more clearly acknowledge it. so with your thinking, since it's such a rare occurrence, no amount of preventative measures should be put in place.? it's that type of thinking that has put this country in the situation it's in right now. ignore the problem until something happens. and yes, given the world that we live in, i do not have an issue with metal detectors, searches, or any other measure that is constitutional to protect people in our schools. you seem to have drawn a lot of conclusions based on so little information. again...not surprising. it's a shame people allow their hatred for guns cloud their common sense.

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Radwaste 09/04/13 - 05:14 pm
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It's been done.

Thauch - there ARE cases where killers have been stopped by faculty retrieving their own weapons from their cars. I suppose being defenseless is YOUR preference?

On another front: what are you doing, parents, that your darling children are either terminally violent or completely incapable of coping with threats? No, I don't mean tackle the shooter. I mean, don't freak out because some nut has a gun - work out the best solution. Don't believe guys like thauch, who might say that guns are evil and have supernatural powers.

If you'd told me forty years ago my school would be on lockdown, and REQUIRE A POLICE OFFICER ON SITE TO COMPLETE THE SCHOOL DAY, I'd have thought you're crazy.

Now, the loonies are at school. Running it on the sick, wrong premise that the thug and the valedictorian must be treated the same, lest some parent whine and threaten to sue!

Radwaste
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Radwaste 09/04/13 - 05:23 pm
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To clarify:

thauch, et al, I may have given the wrong impression.

Locks, metal detectors and now the idea that rifles are needed are all symptoms, not the CAUSE, of school violence, which is sourced from a society that thinks single motherhood is noble and instant gratification is the worthiest goal. We cannot have a gun problem unless we have a crime problem.

Unfortunately, state agents eager to consolidate power in government hands exploit people. Rifle teams were actually a feature of NYC schools until the mid-1990s; now, guns are demonized - ANYTHING goes in the effort to shift personal responsibilities from individuals to the State.

By the way - the AR-15 would NOT be my choice due to their extreme expense and limited utility. I would suggest Ruger 10-22s. However, the proposal is AGAIN for show, not for utility, so I expect expensive gear. That would bring more money to the school, making administrators more important, so they'll make it happen.

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thauch12 09/04/13 - 06:40 pm
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Here's the funny part of it

Here's the funny part of it all: I never once said anything that was "anti-gun." Neither did I ever say "no preventative measures should taken" nor even delve into the "causes" of gun violence. Such thinking is admittedly ridiculous and but that is unfortunately the rhetorical argument you choose to employ. After all, if you can twist what I say into something more preposterious than your own convoluted notion through ridiculous exaggeration, you gain a leg to stand on. That's unfortunate.

How about some common sense and moderation instead? How about simple solutions like having one entrance to a school during school hours? How about not letting people who have no business being at a school roam the halls? Why not start there instead of this ridiculously reactionary notion of stashing rifles in schools? I guess it would make too much sense.

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Ego556 09/04/13 - 07:26 pm
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i guess it was your "gun

i guess it was your "gun nuts" comment that got me to infer you were anti-gun. silly me! the few examples you list in your second paragraph make zero sense. unless it is not enforced, school safety plans require that all but the front entrance be secured. and people are not allowed to roam the halls at will, so i'm unsure where you conjure your facts from. but since criminals always obey the rules, i'm sure that's all that needs to be done to prevent another nut job from going and shooting up a school. still waiting for your real solutions to the problem...unless that was your best effort.?

Ego556
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Ego556 09/04/13 - 07:29 pm
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Radwaste- a 10/22? really? i

Radwaste- a 10/22? really? i guess that's fine if the officer makes several head shots and the shooter is not wearing any type of heavy clothing or armor. an AR15 has more utilization than just about any rifle, so i'm not sure what that even means.

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GiantsAllDay 09/04/13 - 07:36 pm
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This is a great idea! It

This is a great idea! It shows the kind of outside the box thinking that we need these days. However, it does not go far enough. We should train the students on the rifles as well. Spring semester of junior year, require EVERY junior to take rifle training in lieu of PE--make it a requirement for graduation, just like writing proficiency. Then when an attack is launched against the school, every senior is required to report to the rifle safe and is issued a weapon and they all participate in protecting their fellow students. The students will feel more school spirit if they are allowed to participate.

thauch12
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thauch12 09/04/13 - 09:56 pm
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Giants, amen. It seems the

Giants, amen. It seems the only way to argue with fanatics is to stoop to their level and that isn't worth it. All I've got to say is this is an incredibly stupid idea and I'd venture a majority of people would agree with me.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
It looks like, according to a nationwide poll taken one month after the Newtown tragedy (done by University of Connecticut/Hartford Courant Poll. Jan. 22-28, 2013), an overwhelming amount of people support "restricting public access to school buildings during the school day," while a majority of people oppose "more teachers and school officials having guns in schools."

FACTS?! Oh my, a fanatic's worst nightmare...

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 09/05/13 - 06:08 am
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HAhaha!!!

What idiots come up with these inane ideas? Sometimes I wonder just how stupid folks can be.

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nocnoc 09/05/13 - 07:09 am
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Sorry I have to say long rifle is NOT the right weapon

given the situation and environment.

A group of us just came back from a Labor friendly shoot match,
where Worst shooter covers lunch. These are guys can put up a playing card and call which diamond, club, heart or spade they aiming for @50 yards with a 22 rifle. 100+yds with a 223-30# rifle. But you see it took them years of shooting to get that good. That s 1000's of rounds and 100's of hours of practice.

Now think about a teacher or Administrator a long hallway
(75 - 150 ft) with 4 or 5 students and gunman. Unless the administrator practices weekly he/she is not taking a shot.

As far as Long rifles weapon go:

A 30/06 is too much and too slow to reload for most.

A 223 semi is plausible, but has a whopping PR stigma with parents.

A Ruger 10/22 could be handled by most any staff but has very limited kill power.

A shotgun loaded with slugs won't work and lack the accuracy needed.

No, it is going to have to be a Carbine
Maybe a Kel-Tech 9mm or 40cal model carbine
Folds up for easy Secure Storage
Acceptable degree of accuracy that is needed at this defined distance.
Allows for hi-capacity clips
Light weight
Simple tp operate

Dependeding on caliber purchased
Shoots 9mm 115grain
Shoots 40cal up to 140 to 185 grain bullets

Costs under $650 with 100 rds of ammo

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/sub-2000/

Youtube Video on Accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO6JEzNcU-M&list=TLvBNxswzuknQ

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/05/13 - 07:43 am
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Mini-14's use the same ammo
Unpublished

Mini-14's use the same ammo as the AR-15 and are far more reliable and affordable. Just saying.

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Little Lamb 09/05/13 - 08:12 am
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Childhood

thauch12 posted:

On a completely different level, do you really want your child going to a school with armed patrols and metal detectors? What kind of childhood are we trying to give our kids?

We have a president who uses tactics of deflection to try and take the nation's collective mind off the issue and put the nation's collective mind on the issue that concerns the president, i.e., destruction of the U.S. Constitution and destruction of the rule of law.

We had a tragic school shooting in Connecticut and the president turned it into a call for action for gun control and gun confiscation. Never let a tragedy go to waste, they say.

Fortunately, the president has the attention span of a mosquito, and he's moved on to bombing villages in the Middle East for the time being.

Then thauch12 asked:

How about simple solutions like having one entrance to a school during school hours? How about not letting people who have no business being at a school roam the halls?

I have been asking the same question since Sandy Hook occurred. Any person can walk right in the doors of the typical public school with no trouble and has access to the lunchroom, the classrooms, the bathrooms, the physical plant, etc. Did Joe Biden's blue ribbon committee even consider such a plan as hardening the schools’ entrance? No, they went straight for gun control and nothing else.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 09/05/13 - 08:36 am
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We live in a different world

Then when we were kids! I say arm the schools!

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Bizkit 09/05/13 - 09:28 am
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Growing up in high school

Growing up in high school most males drove trucks with their hunting rifles visible through the window-hanging on a rack. That and a CB radio. Never heard of any public school violence during that era despite rampant guns available. Strange how violent our culture has become. Seems we are becoming more animal than man.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/05/13 - 12:08 pm
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Sorry, Lilly.
Unpublished

Grammar nazi in me......it's "we live in a different world THAN", not "then."

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corgimom 09/05/13 - 08:47 pm
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"If you'd told me forty years

"If you'd told me forty years ago my school would be on lockdown, and REQUIRE A POLICE OFFICER ON SITE TO COMPLETE THE SCHOOL DAY, I'd have thought you're crazy."

I graduated 39 years ago, and yes, we had a campus cop.

40 miles from the Mexican border, oh yeah, it was crawling with drugs.

corgimom
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corgimom 09/05/13 - 08:54 pm
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Schoolchildren are not

Schoolchildren are not prisoners. Neither are their parents.

I would raise holy hell if I couldn't have free access to my child. Because when you start restricting parents from their children, when neither they nor the child has done anything wrong, you are trampling on a lot of Constitutional rights- for something that MIGHT happen, that no one can predict.

There just aren't that many crazies out there that want to do this stuff. It's blown way out of proportion.

We don't have that requirement for post offices, McDonald's, shopping malls, movie theaters- but there is supposed to be "security" at schools. The DC sniper shot people all over the DC area. Should we have security in all those places, too?

It is nonsense.

You cannot make the world perfectly safe.

While I am not a violent person, if I knew the school had guns, I wouldn't bother shooting people. I'd use explosives.

That's why the idea of turning schools into arsenals is pointless.

If a deranged person wants to go crazy and shoot people, they will find a way.

corgimom
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corgimom 09/05/13 - 08:58 pm
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About 1% of the population

About 1% of the population has schizophrenia, and of that 1%, most of them aren't interested in shooting people.

So we are supposed to turn schools into armed camps- forgetting, of course, that schools have windows, if somebody wanted to shoot people, all they'd have to do is break a window and come in, making security measures pointless-because a very few people are nuts, averaging 1 or 2 a year out of 300 million?

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