Unused state worker leave costs Georgia

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ATLANTA — A new audit shows that Georgia paid workers who retired, quit, transferred or were laid off $43 million last year in unused vacation time.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports on Sunday that the unused leave cost state taxpayers closer to $60 million when also including payroll taxes and payments to the health benefits system.

It doesn’t end there. Georgia is also obligated to pay out hundreds of millions more to current employees in the coming years. The report shows that state employees have banked more than $550 million worth of unused time off as of the end of fiscal 2010.

The report comes weeks before Gov. Nathan Deal will release a 2013 budget proposal that’s expected to include further spending cuts in funding to state agencies.

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corgimom
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corgimom 01/01/12 - 07:56 pm
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Vacation time is part of an

Vacation time is part of an employee's compensation and is accrued when an employee works. This compensation is legal compensation and cannot be denied- it is deferred compensation. It is earned just like wages and salary.

The problem is that nobody demanded that government employees use up vacation, and put limits on banking vacation- like most businesses do.

All that's required is that a law be passed that only a certain number of vacation hours can be carried over from year to year. That would solve the problem.

RunningMan
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RunningMan 01/01/12 - 08:20 pm
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Federal government employees

Federal government employees are only allowed to have a certain amount of accrued leave. Anything beyond that is considered use-or-lose leave and is lost at the end of the year. It is each employee and supervisor's responsibility to ensure leave days over the amount authorized to be carried over are used within the calendar year. It is a policy that no payout be made for unused leave over what is authorized. No LAWS are needed to ensure this happens and is easily managed by each federal and state agency. I really wonder who comes up with some of this stuff. This one is truly a no brainer. Even when I was in the military, there was a policy in place to ensure excess leave days were used appropriately.

Ole School
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Ole School 01/01/12 - 10:19 pm
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TAKE IT FROM A LONG TIME

TAKE IT FROM A LONG TIME VETERAN WITH THE STATE , they will not give us our leave ! they turn us down when we ask off ! DOC

JRC2024
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JRC2024 01/01/12 - 10:29 pm
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Leave should never be carried

Leave should never be carried over to retirement. It is a perk that should be taken in the year it is earned. The taxpayer should not have to fund this windfall.

paulwheeler
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paulwheeler 01/01/12 - 10:38 pm
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The state made the rules, and

The state made the rules, and can you believe it, those greedy American employees are just playing by those same rules. Don't worry, after the state, fed, and private business get rid of all these expensive American employees, they can replace them with cheaper foreign employees, and we'll never have to read such an article as this again. If the state or the AJC or whoever wants to whine about this benefit, they should lobby their state legislators to change the rules, or shut up.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 01/01/12 - 11:09 pm
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It wouldn't be so bad if I

It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't think they get many days off now without taking leave. Who needs a vacation when you can take off anytime you want?

paulwheeler
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paulwheeler 01/01/12 - 11:56 pm
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Riverman1, do you have solid

Riverman1, do you have solid evidence to substantiate your accusation? Is it some DNR agent or some high level state bureaucrat that you are accusing of abusing and violating state law? If you have such evidence, you should alert the most omnipotent Nathan Deal so that this vile perpetrator can be delt with and removed from the state dole! It is your duty as a citizen of the grand state of Georgia to report such abuse of the hard earned taxpayer's money! You can't let such things go unreported if you have first-hand knowledge.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 01/02/12 - 12:06 am
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PaulWheeler, you know the

PaulWheeler, you know the other day I was saying there was no Santa Claus in reference to an editorial. They wanted me to prove that too. I just say what I see and believe and hit enter. Then it's your problem. But I do have a pretty good track record. Tell you what, you have Deal or the grand jury look me up for me saying state employees slide out of work. That would be fun. There is no Santa Claus, Virginia.

omnomnom
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omnomnom 01/02/12 - 01:00 am
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would it cost the state any

would it cost the state any less if the vacation time were used in a timely manner? i don't understand the problem here. molehill mountain

Ushouldnthave
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Ushouldnthave 01/02/12 - 10:24 am
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As far as Rivermans "they get

As far as Rivermans "they get many days off now without taking leave", not true. State employees get compensatory time off instead of overtime pay. It's Federal Law. Ask a DOC worker and you'll find out. The state has cut, and cut, and cut personnel. You want state employees to work for minimal pay, ridiculous hours, in conditions YOU wouldn't tolerate, and you insist that they not get any benefits either? And Omnimom and Corgimom, you are exactly right.

madgerman
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madgerman 01/02/12 - 10:35 am
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I think ole school has a very
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I think ole school has a very valid point. Just look at the number of reductions that we made in the work force and yet they have the same or increased duties. Kinda like if an employee in grounds keeping wanted a vacation in the months leading up to Masters week, do we really think they would get it? Further, if an employee is allowed to take their leave and another has to work overtime to keep the activity operating, do we save money? Whats really funny is the idea that a employee is resigning anf it will cause expenses to the "health care system or the amount of increase to payroll taxes".

Riverman1
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Riverman1 01/02/12 - 10:41 am
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See Ushouldnthave is telling

See Ushouldnthave is telling the truth here. They get comp time. Now if you think that comp time thing is accurately kept....You know, "Where is Bob today?"

"He's taking comp time."

I say don't give them any vacation and tell them to keep on stealing the time off like they do now. When they retire and want to cash in pay them for the days they didn't steal.

firstamendment23
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firstamendment23 01/02/12 - 11:15 am
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They should implement a "use

They should implement a "use it or lose it policy" then give them the time off when requested.

itsanotherday
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itsanotherday 01/02/12 - 01:34 pm
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Use it or lose it except when
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Use it or lose it except when time off due to personnel shortage is denied. The employee should then be paid for the expiring PTO.

Another good solution is time sharing. In any large organization there are always people who have extended illnesses or other family issues that have depleted their PTO. In those cases, other employees who are maxed out on accrual can donate hours to their fellow employees.
That is much better than giving it back to the company.

wbbh
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wbbh 01/02/12 - 04:55 pm
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The folks that have leave

The folks that have leave coming are the ones that were at work while others were not, they deserve the fruits of their labor. They also tend to be the employees that get things done so managers are less likely to let them take time off. This is problem is made worse by business and government entities maintaining smaller staffs and do more. There is no free lunch.

Hucklebuck
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Hucklebuck 01/02/12 - 06:35 pm
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I am a state employee and

I am a state employee and have been for 10 years. The pay isn't that great and turnover is extremely high especially with DFCS. In order to accrue that kind of time they are speaking of in the article you are talking someone who has put in some years. Alot of you think that we live high on the hog but we don't. The state has to offer something that you can't get anywhere else because they can't offer a competitive salary. They need something to reward loyalty if they can't offer money.
The reason why we accrue so much leave time is because of the comp time you get for working overtime. I have have so much leave that comp time is worthless because you can never take the time off when you want to especially now. So alot of you need to understand how things really are before you make stupid comments. We haven't had raises in 4 years but when your daughter gets raped by her stepfather or her uncle you want someone to come help right? I am an investigator with DFCS and I have seen things done to children that you can't believe.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 01/02/12 - 06:59 pm
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Hucklebuck, the problem with

Hucklebuck, the problem with an attitude of "we have to be rewarded in other ways because the pay is not that great" is suspect. Do state dump truck drivers and janitors have the same attitude? The answer is probably...yes. I don't know what the going rate is in your field, but it sounds like career dissatisfaction to me you are expressing. Are there not many applicants for the state jobs? That tells me something right there.

Seriously, I'm sure you do a good job and aren't well paid, but you have to look at this from a taxpayer's viewpoint.

Hucklebuck
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Hucklebuck 01/02/12 - 09:40 pm
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dude i pay taxes too. I have

dude i pay taxes too. I have no problems with my career. I can't speak for dump truck drivers and janitors. Again turnover is extremely high. As a taxpayer you better be glad that they don't pay overtime. You people want the work done but you are not willing to pay for it.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 01/02/12 - 09:45 pm
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HuckleBuck, be careful or we

HuckleBuck, be careful or we will have the first three applicants of the hundred or so on the waiting list for your job come in and hire one of them at the same money you are making and eliminate ALL vacation. Comp time in private industry usually means, you just work and forget about your vacation. This is going to cost the state hundreds of millions paying for the unused vacation time. There is NO money.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 01/02/12 - 09:46 pm
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Hucklebuck, the more I think

Hucklebuck, the more I think about it the less I care if you do the job or not. I'd have a deputy go to the house and if he thought something was amiss, I'd listen to what he said.

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