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Juveniles charged for mall brawl

Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:36 AM
Last updated Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:05 AM
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Video of a teen fight in the Augusta Mall over the weekend has gained attention after a cell phone video hit YouTube.

According to Richmond County sheriff's Capt. Scott Gay, the fight involving multiple 15- and 16-year-olds stemmed from an ongoing Facebook feud and escalated while the girls were in the food court of the mall around 8 p.m. Saturday.

Security and deputies stepped in and eventually stopped the fray but not before a glass hanging over food at Sbarro was broken, Gay said.

The juveniles were charged with second degree criminal damage to property and affray.

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corgimom
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corgimom 06/29/11 - 01:39 pm
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Countyman told us over and

Countyman told us over and over again that Bass Pro Shops was coming to Augusta, too.

Oh, and he asked the other day who posted on here that lived in South Augusta? That would be Dichotomy.

Last night, I flew home from California to Charlotte. The two people sitting next to me were from Augusta. We had a very interesting conversation- "surprisingly" their viewpoint was the same as mine, Seenit's, Riverman, dichotomy, etc. and not that of Countyman.

countyman
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countyman 06/29/11 - 01:43 pm
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The Richmond County master

The Richmond County master plan includes the Rocky Creek Mix-use Regional Park and Southgate Urban Village... The Augusta Sustainable Development Agenda aka the Richmond County master plan won a 2011 charter award at the Congress on New Urbanism’s meeting in Madison, Wisconsin..
http://www.cnu.org/awards

There's a 15 million residential development underway off Gordon Hwy/Sibley Rd/Milledgeville rd.. The splost includes $3.5 million for the lake near Regency mall.. Thanks to the master plan the DOT is granting Augusta $1.8 million to help 15th street, Deans Bridge, and MLK.. $60k is going towards the beautification project at the intersection of Gordon Hwy/Deans Bridge rd..

seenitB4
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seenitB4 06/29/11 - 01:48 pm
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corgi......all I can say

corgi......all I can say is..."You were sitting next to 2 VERY intelligent people."......gotta go work to do---:):)

countyman
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countyman 06/29/11 - 01:52 pm
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Corgimom.. I remember you

Corgimom.. I remember you saying the Village at Riverwatch development was dead in the water.. The 115 acre site starting construction a few weeks ago and the official ground breaking is set for tommorrow.. Whole Foods, Trader Joes, Chipotle, H&M, REI, Gander Mountain, California Pizza Kitchen, or World Market can be supported..

Bass Pro announced they're not coming to the VAR site.. Richmond County is listed under future store on the comapny's website..
http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPageC?appID=94&storeI...

countyman
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countyman 06/29/11 - 02:08 pm
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Corgimom.. Don't worry I

Corgimom.. Don't worry I already responded to your 2:39 pm post.. Your attempt failed miserably once again lol..

LocalThives
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LocalThives 06/29/11 - 02:24 pm
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ANIMALS, ANIMALS, ANIMALS
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ANIMALS, ANIMALS, ANIMALS

boredinaug
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boredinaug 06/29/11 - 02:25 pm
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countyman? "The poster

countyman?

"The poster Boredinaug said the young men should be arrested"...

Either you confused me with another poster or you are reading a different website than the rest of us. I didn't mention the "males" at all. I was referring to the girls who were charged with the crime.
Also...I don't understand why this is an issue for argument. I have lived in Augusta for 10 years and never seen a fight-AT ALL . They DO NOT happen EVERYWHERE. I also choose where I go carefully, especially since I have a small child. It doesn't matter WHO you are, this type of fighting is scary. Even more scary, the disregard shown for the law trying to break up the fight. I hope these girls are charged with assault on an officer as well. Also...if you think this article won't deter SOME families from patronizing the mall...you're WRONG. Maybe I am just different than everyone else, but when I see violence like this...I want to be as far away as possible.

BombquishaDavis
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BombquishaDavis 06/29/11 - 02:27 pm
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Hmmm lets see..first time I

Hmmm lets see..first time I went to visit my godmom in Macon, I agreed to drop off my niece and nephews at the Mall. I couldn't figure out why they kept asking me if they could visit this store and that....until they told me I HAD to go in with them, or they would be arrested....
Seems you can't drop your kids off at the Mall in Macon.....it was the most PEACEFUL shopping trip I EVER had at a mall.....also.........too bad someone can't devise something to stop Facebook and YouTube violence.

countyman
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countyman 06/29/11 - 02:47 pm
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Somebody said the young men

Somebody said the young men and women should all be arrested.. Also there were 3 comments who were deleted before your initial comment.

It's still amazing how these people make a huge deal about the fight.. But employees have been robbed at Mullins Crossing and they don't mention anything.. I guess since it happen in CC it can't be talk about.. Similar to the chronicle not reporting the crime or tribunals..

townes22
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townes22 06/29/11 - 02:44 pm
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This is what a typical day

This is what a typical day looks like at the RC school that I teach at!

dstewartsr
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dstewartsr 06/29/11 - 02:57 pm
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"...(E)mployees have been

"...(E)mployees have been robbed at Mullins Crossing and they don't mention anything."

Really? I have read of multiple robberies, several foot and traffic pursuits of shoplifters as well as a couple of fights occurring in CC. I live there --well, in the southern, or poor relation part-- and have not been surprised. I just wonder at your failing to see what I read right here at the AC as well as local television coverage.

I will be the first to admit CC is not the paradise often claimed, nor is RC the pit of depravity conjured by some posters. But. And this is a big but; pretending there is no problem is never part of the solution. Reminiscent of the deck hand on the Titanic telling passengers nothing was wrong, reading your posts begs the question, "Who to believe, Countyman or your lying eyes?"

Chillen
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Chillen 06/29/11 - 03:01 pm
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How many of the Mullins

How many of the Mullins Crossing robberies are commited by Richmond County residents? I'd love to see those stats. I know quite a few are because I've seen the write ups.

madgerman
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madgerman 06/29/11 - 03:04 pm
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Well the story didn't say so
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Well the story didn't say so i'll ask - were they led away to jail in handcuffs, photographed, fingerprinted and booked? I would bet they were detained for their mamas to come and get them? Little wonder they have so little respect for other people, peoples property and the law. But the real question is, If I had been there with my grandkids and they had been hurt in the meelee would I have been arrested for knocking one or two of them out to protect my family? I believe I would have.

teetee
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teetee 06/29/11 - 03:47 pm
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What are 15 and 16 year olds

What are 15 and 16 year olds doing at the mall without the parents? I think this is all that needs to be said- remember the shooting at the conference center? It was a sweet 16 party without the proper adults. Again as said earlier, the parents have to get involved in knowing where their children are at all times..

edubb
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edubb 06/29/11 - 04:16 pm
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This is so embarrasing to me.

This is so embarrasing to me. The parents of these kids should be absolutely ashamed of themeselves. Now when people talk bad about our race, meaning (black people) this is the stuff they are talking about. Act like you have some class and integrity and fair people will judge you accordingly. I am not saying the actions of these girls reflects bad on all black people but its just more ammunition for some people to make claims as such. Black people we have got to do better please.

scoobynews
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scoobynews 06/29/11 - 04:34 pm
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What is with some of this

What is with some of this boys will be boys (girls will be girls) bs? No one wants to shop in a mall full of pre-teens and teens whose parents just drove up to the door and said pick you up when the mall closes. I do not go there on weekends because going to the mall means shopping not dodging the half dressed girls I see running around with a phone in their hand texting while taking up most if not all of the walking space. Not to mention the sagging butts I have to see. This ain't like the old Michael Jordan commercial from years ago I really don't want to know if you have boxers or briefs on. I sure don't want to know the color of them either. If parents are not required to be there with their children as they roam the mall then they should not be allowed. When I was a teen my mother didn't drop me off at the mall and leave. If we got the privilage of walking alone she was in that mall you better believe it and we had a certain time to meet back up with her. Today's parents are looking for anyone and anywhere to take care of their children. I see it at school dances all the time. Parents are there 30 minutes early to drop them off and pick them up 30 minutes late. Then some of you are acting as if because this happens else where in the country that makes it ok also. Are we becoming so immune to bad behavior that we think now it is "ok" to bully, threaten, and ultimately hit each other now? I see bullying everyday due to facebook, he said she said, and just plain meanness. I choose not to go to the mall on the weekends and will continue. I don't have my own safety to consider but my small child's as well. I would have been scared to death had I had my son in that food court during that fight. You never know who may have a weapon of some sort these days. No one should be SCARED to go to a mall shopping!

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 06/29/11 - 05:02 pm
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Countyman, Your Statements

Countyman, Your Statements regarding local law enforcement are very misleading if not an outright lie. It is great you love Richmond County, I do as well. But, you will not open our eyes to reality and then always try to look elsewhere...lets worry about our own problems of which we have many.

Now, back to your statement on Richmond County hiring 25 road patrol deputies last year, etc:

First (Some) agencies saw a reduction in force, not most.

Second, (Some) agencies are no longer sending deputies to calls and instead handling them by phone. Richmond County happens to be one of these agencies due to lack of manpower and generally speaking this is only occurring in major cities out west, not areas such as Augusta, GA. This further shows what the Sheriff is being forced to do within the constraints of the budget and is not good for pro-active policing and goes against all standards of community policing.

This department has had a reduction in force of 40 deputies over the last several years due to cuts from the commission. Any hiring’s were to replace current deputies that quit or were terminated so your hiring of 25 road patrol officers means absolutely nothing.

Additionally, This department has been negatively impacted by furlough days both last year and this year accounting for thousands of man hours. Add up all of the man hours compared to the number of deputies for a year and you have effectively reduced your department by an additional 16 deputies per year meaning you are now short 56 deputies from where you were a mere 6 years ago. If you don't think this is a DRASTIC REDUCTION in law enforcement for this area then you haven't a clue and are completely ignoring the Sheriff and even the deputies who say they are greatly in need of funding and personnel.

The Sheriff's budget on top of all of the above cuts was additional reduced by $750,000.00 this year while at the same time we are spending over 5 million on Augusta Transit and nearly 1 million supporting a local golf course so people can play for less than it costs to operate and are once again discussing building a new ball park went he one we have is never filled to capacity.

The deputies their selves have taken pay cuts the last two years as well as furlough days and increases in the cost of their insurance. This from an agency that is already considered one of the lowest paying for an agency of its size in this region. The call volume the deputies answer here due to lack of manpower is more than double most nearby agencies. Compare this to Columbia County where the pay is better, no furlough days occur, raises have been granted, you can have your college paid for and then get a raise for your college degree, etc. and your call volume is 50% less than Richmond County and you will see why it is hard to retain great deputies in Richmond County.

We do have a great community and the Richmond County Sheriff’s Office does and amazing job while being woefully understaffed and underfunded. At the very least, the department should have to go by state and/or national accreditation standards for the number of officers compared to citizens/incidents. If we continually fail to properly fund the Sheriff’s Office, crime will continue to increase. Additionally, with lack of space within the jail facilities and lack of manpower, many are released prior to when they should be as this county simply does not have the resources needed to bring crime under control and keep criminals where they belong.

Work to solve these two major problems and greatly improve our school system and you will then see a far more vibrant city where businesses and tax revenues will greatly increase.

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 06/29/11 - 04:57 pm
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Malls in general have become

Malls in general have become "hang outs" for various groups of individuals not looking to patronize the establishments. For the most part, those not patronizing the shops aren't up to anything positive and should be removed and if necessary banned for a period of time.

Other malls have systems in place such as persons under the age of 18 must be accompanied by a legal guardian - not just an 18 year old friend but a true legal guardian.

We don't need to over react to this incident but we do need to look at it for what it is and be pro-active in policing, security and rules to prevent incidents such as this occurring as much as possible.

There are various ways and systems to keep non-shoppers out of the mall of which many would be controversial but groups of non-shoppers often cause problems at the mall ranging from shoplifting, to fighting to intimidation of others, etc. - all of which have a very negative impact on the mall itself even if it is simply the society we live in today.

Mall security and even deputies need specialized training in how to deal with fights such as this, mass incidents, flash mobs, group shoplifting, mob situations, etc. as it will occur again.

In this case, the few mall security personnel appeared to be doing their best to "stop the fight" which of course is the initial reaction. However, the best way to actually handle this type of situation is for an officer or two to intervene while ALL other officers immediately begin crowd control and dispersing of the crowd, getting people off of the tables, etc. which will in and of itself grow quickly far beyond any fight and may spur additional fights.

This type of fight with complete lack of respect for others, along with total lack of respect for security and law enforcement officers combined with instigators egging on the fight happens quite frequently in Richmond County Schools. This video is no different than many lunchroom fights now days where even campus police and teachers have trouble dealing with the juveniles.

Countyman – I am not sure who said the bystanders should be charged as well and/or exactly which ones he/she was referring to. However, I do 100% believe than ANYONE who pushed another to view the fight, jumped on a table to view the fight, yelled in support of the fight, egged on anyone engaged in fighting or was disorderly in any way, shape or form should certainly be arrested and held fully accountable for their actions. A mob situation can grow very quickly and those who wish to participate instead of leaving the area or being of assistance or at the very least sitting down and minding their own business do in fact deserve to be held accountable for their actions.

countyman
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countyman 06/29/11 - 05:13 pm
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Exactly what statement was

Exactly what statement was misleading?? You seem to agree the city hired 25 patrol officers last year... I agree with you the salary needs to be higher. Almost every single small to lage city in america was impacted by furlough days... Developments such as the mix-use project downtown would create tax revenue to hire new police officers. The public transportation system in Augusta sucks and I don't have a problem with the amount. Millions of dollars are creating additional jail pods at Phinizy road.. The $12 million sheriff office broke ground on June 15th, 2011.

Actually your statement about crime continuing to increase is wrong.. The crime rate decreased in the year 2010.. As of April 2011(latest update) there were 599 less total cases compared to 2010..

kiwiinamerica
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kiwiinamerica 06/29/11 - 05:18 pm
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Malls are trash magnets. If
Unpublished

Malls are trash magnets. If you want to catch a snap-shot of the cultural and spiritual decline of a once great nation, go to the mall.........any large shopping mall will do. Malls attract feral youth like doggy-do attracts flies.


And dontcha just love Facebook? It's been said that the biggest fear of today's generation is anonymity. Everyone who can fog a mirror is on Facebook, hollerin' about what they like and don't like and talkin' trash about their boyfriends and girlfriends but nothing of any substance is being said. Just more cacophonous noise to fill our heads.

owensjef2
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owensjef2 06/29/11 - 05:49 pm
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I hate to see young ladies

I hate to see young ladies act like this.

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 06/29/11 - 06:18 pm
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Countyman, you imply that the

Countyman, you imply that the County is hiring more police to protect our streets (25 last year) and that is in no way, shape or form the truth. You state that while other agencies are having to lay off officers Richmond County is actually hiring them which certainly implies that RCSO isn't laying off officers and instead hiring new ones. Any officers hired last year are simply replacing those who have quit or were fired and any statement to the contrary is false. There were NO NEW OFFICERS hired last year as we have lost 40 officers (positions) over the past several years budget cuts. Additionally, RCSO lost man hours each year over the last 2 years totaling 16 deputies per year due to furlough days.

I’m sorry, I don't mind debating, etc. but if you stand by your statement and don't understand that it is misleading then there is no need for further discussion because any intelligent person knows just how misleading your statement was. Replacing a deputy is not hiring of deputies and you are more than smart enough to know better.

Your use of statistics to show that crime has decreased is also very misleading. With 56 less deputies on the streets and non-emergency calls being diverted to taking reports over the phone, reports and stats have decreased but not crimes. Far less people are caught in the act of committing crimes, far less are arrested for drug and other surveillance charges, etc. due to lack of manpower not due to lack of illegal activity. While this section of our discussion may be open to interpretation and debate the first section where we have lost many law enforcement positions and funding for the RCSO is not debatable and should not be discussed in a very misleading way as you attempted to accomplish.

countyman
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countyman 06/29/11 - 06:33 pm
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I never included the word

I never included the word 'new' in my statement.. I also said the number of total cases were down.. I've said nothing about the number of total arrest this year compared to last year.. Actually there were 599 less total cases(Jan-April) in 2011 compared to 2010, but the number of arrest increased by 190..

I guess the sheriff was also being misleading when he said the crime rate decreased in 2010 too??

Pu239
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Pu239 06/29/11 - 07:38 pm
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with all of the spin, some
Unpublished

with all of the spin, some should be dizzy

Chillen
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Chillen 06/29/11 - 07:54 pm
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This whole problem could be

This whole problem could be solved if the Augusta Mall would charge a $15 entry fee. The $15 can be redeemed at any store. It never expires so if you don't find anything, use it again. But you'll have to pay another $15 the next time you enter, giving you $30 to spend. The $15 is not a one time pay entry pass.

Most of these teens and all the hoodlams who cruise the mall all afternoon & night would not have the $15 or would not be willing to pay the $15 because they'd lose their money - they have no intention of spending money there. Look at them when you are there. None of them are there shopping!

Augusta Mall (and Malls all over America), are you listening?!!! Oh, and you folks have to find a way to keep the thugs & thieves out of your parking lot. Geeze.

allhans
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allhans 06/29/11 - 09:20 pm
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One look at that mess and you

One look at that mess and you will see why we don't use the concourse but use stores that has outside entry.
This is an ugly sight.

allhans
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allhans 06/29/11 - 09:22 pm
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owensjef2..Those are NOT

owensjef2..Those are NOT ladies.

Asitisinaug
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Asitisinaug 06/29/11 - 09:30 pm
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Countyman, your statement was

Countyman, your statement was misleading (and that is putting in nicely). I never said you included the word new but you were trying to make a point and compared other agencies to Richmond County and then said they had hired 25 officers this past year - actually your number is inaccurate but either way the only officers hired this year were to replace those who quit or were terminated - if you are capable of admitting your statement was in fact misleading and tried to imply that this area was doing something positive for law enforcement then you lose all credibility as far as I am concerned. This is far worse than when you list all of the great things happening in Augusta such as 5 new restaurants but fail to mention at the same time 6 closed down. You are trying to make a point and fail to tell the other side which although may not be the most fair & balanced statement it isn’t misleading or an outright lie as was attempted today.

I think it is great you love the area, think well of Augusta and show many of us all of the positives but in this case you went too far and your statements were purposefully misleading. Why else on earth would you even say that the Sheriff's Office hired deputies this year - who cares? All agencies hire deputies every year to replace approved positions when someone quits or is fired so you wouldn't even be making a point.

The Sheriff, although a great man doing a remarkable job under very stressful conditions, is a politician. I can't find an article where he says crime is down but if you say he said it, for now I will believe you. I can however point you to past articles and commission meetings where he has said he needs and increase in his budget and an increase in deputies. Furthermore, IF the Sheriff did make such a statement, it would be based solely on statistics. If you delete 40 deputies from a department and then furlough all of the others to the tune of thousands of man hours which would equal loosing 16 more deputies then you will have far less arrests and your crime stats will go down.

Take any Richmond County High School that has 1 Campus Police Officer compared to any school that has 2 Officers and the school with 2 will show more crime. In reality, the crime is being dealt with in a more aggressive approach, more is being stopped and stats increase. Anyway, I said you can easily debate this subject and use the stats either way you please as can I. However, your statement towards the numbers of deputies for Richmond County was a sad attempt to mislead the readers.

I appreciate debating various views and respect others opinions and their right to have them but that does not include deception.

JM88
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JM88 06/29/11 - 10:31 pm
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Just another reason for me to

Just another reason for me to do all my shopping online.

The shame of it is that we have a really cool mall. The recent additions and renovations are awesome. But, unfortunately, as an above poster said, malls, by their very nature, attract the seediest elements of society. It's unfortunate that we can't use this great facility without feeling a little uneasy.

KSL
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KSL 06/29/11 - 11:29 pm
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Kiwi, I live in Aiken and

Kiwi, I live in Aiken and while the Aiken Mall is in noway as big as the Augusta Mall, I have never experienced those types of problems there.

By the way, I have a first cousin who has lived on the North Island since the year after she married her kiwi husband, a sheep rancher.

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