Confederate flag prompts complaint in Ga. county

Middle Georgia's Dodge County flying flag to commemorate Civil War

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EASTMAN, Ga. -- As the nation marks the 150th anniversary of the Civil War, a decision by Dodge County commissioners this week to fly the Confederate battle flag 365 days a year at the county courthouse has sparked more controversy and attention to a years-long debate.

Confederate battle flag flies Wednesday next to a memorial to Confederate war dead near the Dodge County Courthouse, in the background, in Eastman.
  Grant Blankenship/ Macon Telegraph
Grant Blankenship/ Macon Telegraph
Confederate battle flag flies Wednesday next to a memorial to Confederate war dead near the Dodge County Courthouse, in the background, in Eastman.

“We’ve been battling this for some time, trying to resolve it without going outside the county,” said John Battle, president of the Dodge County branch of the NAACP, which he said has repeatedly asked the county to remove the flag.

“We don’t have any heartburn about the Confederate flag itself, but we have heartburn because it’s up there on the public property,” he told The Macon Telegraph newspaper.

The Confederate battle flag, seen by some as representative of slavery, and by others as a part of our nation’s Southern heritage, has been on the courthouse grounds for years.

The flag is positioned in front of a series of war memorial statues on the side of the courthouse property.

The commission voted unanimously in 2002 to allow the Confederate flag to be flown one day annually, but Battle said it has been flown daily for years.

After years of going back and forth with the commission, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People hired a lawyer, who sent a letter to the Dodge County Commission last week requesting that they remove the Confederate battle flag from public display at the courthouse.

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unclemorriss
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unclemorriss 04/21/11 - 08:17 am
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They just don't get it. They

They just don't get it. They are fighting the wrong flag. No ship flying that flag brought a single negro from africa. Now the US flag, that is a different issue all together!

JesusSavesAtCitiBank
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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 04/21/11 - 08:36 am
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Read some history. This is

Read some history. This is the UNITED STATES of America. The South lost the Civil War. Get over it. It's offensive because the people who were in the Confederacy were racist slave owners. I know it's difficult for you to understand what it feels like to be treated like property, bought and sold like an animal, and bred like one too, but that is the history. It's still painful and people would prefer not to be reminded of the time with flag waving. It's nothing to be proud of.

ALL the official state secession declarations list SLAVERY, by name, first and foremost as their reason for secession.

Read the declarations of secession for yourself:
http://civilwarcauses.org/reasons.htm

BTippy
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BTippy 04/21/11 - 09:21 am
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So according to JesusSaves,

So according to JesusSaves, every person in the "Confederacy" owned slaves. First, what does it take to be "in the Confederacy"? Does living in the south qualify you to be "in the Confederacy"? If that is true then everyone living in the south owned slaves? There must have been quite a few slaves then. JesusSaves is a far off base as a person can be....not everyone that lived in the south owned slaves nor did everyone that lived in the south liked slavery. Not everyone in the north abhorred slavery either. For someone that wants everyone to educate themselves about the causes of the Civil War, JesusSaves seems to be out of touch with many different dynamics about the people that were living in that time. I would encourage JesusSaves to go to the library and re-educate him/herself about the people that lived in the US at the time of the Civil War.
Calling everyone in the south at the time of the Civil War a "racist slave owners" shows a lack of understanding of the people of the south...

Lawpig
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Lawpig 04/21/11 - 09:25 am
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No unclemorris, you miss the

No unclemorris, you miss the point. These boycotts have very little to do with the true cause of the Civil War. Instead, it's the fact that after the Civil War, and extending through the 1950s and 1960s, the Confederate battle flag was used as a device of intimidation and terror against black Americans. Black Americans are not offended by the idea of the Confederacy itself.

If you don't believe me, look no further than the current Georgia flag, which incorporates the actual flag of the Confederacy. There are no NAACP protests over that flag. It's the battle flag that is so offensive. Why can't people understand that?

curly123053
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curly123053 04/21/11 - 09:27 am
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The CSA was an outlaw nation

The CSA was an outlaw nation of rebels. There were laws and rules for states and territories to secede from the country, but the CSA did not follow those rules and did not recognize that law. The result was the president sending to US Army(Union troops) to enforce the laws of the US.
The Civil War is a part of American history and I would not have a problem with flying the CSA battle flag once a year on the anniversary of the war, but flying the flag of outlaws year tound makes no sense to me. This coming from a white male.

happychimer
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happychimer 04/21/11 - 12:49 pm
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I had at least 2

I had at least 2 gggrandfathers who fought for the Confederacy. One of those died in the war. The other one's father is listed as mulatto in the 1850 census and owned 3 slaves. I have many others on my tree who fought for the confederacy, and they were not all slave owners, and none were criminals.As far as I can find, they were all farmers. I don't fly the flag, and as a child I was taught that flag represents where I am from.I see both sides of flying the flag on government property.

deadtired
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deadtired 04/21/11 - 10:03 am
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JesusSavesAtCitiBank you get

JesusSavesAtCitiBank you get over it , slavery was started in this country by a Blackman buying another Blackman ..so look in a mirror
as I see it I see mexican flags ,US flags , and many other coutry flags flown in this country if someone does not want to see the the Confederacy's flag dont look at it just like I do on TV if I dont like it I just dont watch it stop crying about something over a 100 years old

Jane18
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Jane18 04/21/11 - 10:03 am
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Ignorance truly is bliss for

Ignorance truly is bliss for some people. First of all, you don't even realize the reason for the civil war, President Lincoln(a republican) put the slavery issue in the war later, and that the north had slaves also. then after the war and slavery was abolished(supposedly), guess where slaves still were? Pennsylvania and New York!! Some of you need to really study the history and truth of the civil war.................

Gamecocks5
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Gamecocks5 04/21/11 - 10:12 am
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The NAACP wastes so much

The NAACP wastes so much time. I wonder how many black people actually give a crap that the flag flies? If it were not for that organization, there would be no uproar at all. All they do is fight pointless battles just to garner some attention and sympathy. I still think what was done at the Capitol building in Columbia, South Carolina a few years ago is classic- The NAACP demanded the Confederate flag be removed from atop the dome of the Capitol, so it was taken down..only to be planted in the courtyard on the front lawn of the property! Now it's wayyy more visible than it ever was up on the dome..but hey they got their wish! haha

JesusSavesAtCitiBank
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JesusSavesAtCitiBank 04/21/11 - 10:35 am
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@ Jane18 I posted the

@ Jane18

I posted the articles of secession...read it and learn something before you spout off.

juantez
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juantez 04/21/11 - 10:45 am
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slavery was started in this
Unpublished

slavery was started in this country by a Blackman buying another Blackman ..deadtired where are you getting your facts from?

kmb413
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kmb413 04/21/11 - 11:08 am
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wow JSACB, how old were you

wow JSACB, how old were you when you were a slave?

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 04/21/11 - 11:23 am
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Why aren't they flying the

Why aren't they flying the original Confederate flag instead of the "battle flag"?

daphne3520
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daphne3520 04/21/11 - 11:36 am
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"Why aren't they flying the
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"Why aren't they flying the original Confederate flag instead of the "battle flag"?"

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

LauraE
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LauraE 04/21/11 - 11:48 am
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It's one thing to fly Dixie

It's one thing to fly Dixie at your own home, that is your right. But it is a whole 'nother issue to fly it at a government complex or tax payer funded property. What the south forgets is that that flag is offensive to some people. The south no longer consists of just confederates. It is home to people from the North as well, some who lost their ancestors in the fight to restore the Union.
Let me put it in perspective for you. How would you feel if the government complex in Evans flew the British flag? After all, the USA was once a British Colony. Wouldn't that irk you just a tad?

Speaking the Truth
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Speaking the Truth 04/21/11 - 12:14 pm
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African Americans should join

African Americans should join the commemoration of this era in history, not try and erase it. Slavery brought their families to America and is what gave them the opportunity to live in this great Nation. Otherwise, today they might be living in a mud hut somewhere, or worse, not exist! The Era should not be forgotten, but remembered as a great triumph – from Slavery to Presidency! Fly the flag proudly – all have cause to remember!

Speaking the Truth
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Speaking the Truth 04/21/11 - 12:16 pm
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The NAACP has out lived its

The NAACP has out lived its purpose. Today, it is doing more to keep racism alive than any other organization! I guess this makes sense from their business perspective since if they don’t; they will all be out of jobs!! They attempt to turn every event into a Racist event. Get over it! If they really want to help - help fix the African American (not all, but a huge percentage of) culture towards family (more African Americans are born out of wedlock than any other demographic), education (very poor high school and college graduation rates), sex (poor attitudes toward women even deep-rooted in music), and being Gangsta (promoting the “me first” and “give me” instead of “work for it” attitude). A big percentage of African Americans are enslaved by their own culture which is keeping them down - nothing else - opportunity abounds.

Sweet son
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Sweet son 04/21/11 - 01:21 pm
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Standby, Jessie, Al and some

Standby, Jessie, Al and some of their brothers are probably planning a protest march!

dani
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dani 04/21/11 - 01:51 pm
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I think the flag makes some

I think the flag makes some people unhappy, just plain miserable and they simply can't shake that feeling.

My great grandfather volunteered for the Confederate Army at age 17, he never owned a slave although in later years, around 1890, he and his wife had a teenager living with them that they called a "houseboy". My grandfather taught him the three "R's".

It is easy to look for things to complain about, you get more attention but it
is another gorgeous day in the deep south in the year 2011, let us be proud and thankful for what the Lord has given us.

CoastalDawg
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CoastalDawg 04/21/11 - 01:55 pm
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"The people of the State of

"The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue." Thanks to whomever put up this link - means I didn't have to search myself. Here in plain and clear English is the primary reason for the War Between the States, NOT the Civil War because two separate countries had been formed. The federal government has continued down the road of violating the constitution by more than encroachment on the rights left to the states- only very limited rights have been given to the federal government, yet on an almost daily basis that amendment to the constitution is overrun and ignored by the federal government. As to the flying of one of the flags of the Confederate States of America, I fail to see how people who are 150 years removed from that time can be "offended" by seeing the flag unless they have an absolute bias against the states over which the flag flew, regardless of high briefly that happened. We are nearing Confederate Memorial Day on 26 of April, a day which most Americans either totally ignore or have no idea about its place in history. The Emancipation Proclamation did NOT free slaves in all states, particularly in the northern states. Study history and get over the fact that a flag is flying in a public place because that public place does NOT belong to the NAACP and nothing that happens there should be dictated by the organization which was so near death a few years ago until the flag controversy was stirred in South Carolina. There is no PLACE for such an organization devoted to one race - recently it was learned that tax money in the city of Savannah had been paid to a black organization dedicated to placing blacks in public administration jobs - which happened there but not without great controversy and a finding of illegality by the state attorney general. So racism will NEVER die as long as these kinds of organizations continue to be "offended" by anything that doesn't address their "issues" directly. The key to backing up to the dream (the pendulum has swung WAY past his dream in the opposite direction) of Dr. Martin Luther King is held within the hands of organizations dedicated only to the Negroid race. If those will disappear from the landscape then we might all actually be able to work as one without race being either a perceived handicap or advantage. Fly the flag - the NAACP has no dog in that hunt.

CoastalDawg
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CoastalDawg 04/21/11 - 01:58 pm
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of high briefly = of HOW

of high briefly = of HOW briefly

ravis007
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ravis007 04/21/11 - 02:37 pm
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I was born and raised in

I was born and raised in Maine and my anscestors fought from start to finish against the south. One was imprisoned at Andersonville (lost a leg). I live in Georgia now and have no problem with the Confederate flag being flown, as long as it is in reference to the Southern soldier. One must try to separate this controversial flag from a segregational emblem to an honored war service one. There is no room for racist individuals in our society, but they exist. I married into a black family, and am happily married, so no problems with my outlook. God bless us all!!

emergencyfan
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emergencyfan 04/21/11 - 03:31 pm
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"I know it's difficult for

"I know it's difficult for you to understand what it feels like to be treated like property, bought and sold like an animal, and bred like one too, but that is the history"

LOL

(1) I love that YOU think you know what it's like. Just because an ancestor may have been a slave doesn't mean you get the credit for their experience. Both my grandfathers fought in WWII, doesn't mean I know what it's like to be a soldier and fight in a war.

(2) "History" is the operative word in that sentence. If people would stop screaming that it a symbol of racism, it would stop BEING a symbol of racism. The meaning of many symbols have changed over time--sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. The flag itself means nothing. It's just cloth. People assign the meaning. So, assign it a meaning we can all live with and move on to something that is ACTUALLY IMPORTANT like education, child abuse, the homeless, violent crime, etc.

Stop whining about a piece of fabric (that goes for both sides).

airbud7
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airbud7 04/21/11 - 03:39 pm
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Well Said emergencyfan, Stop

Well Said emergencyfan, Stop whining about a piece of fabric!!!

daphne3520
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daphne3520 04/21/11 - 04:01 pm
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Commemorate
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Commemorate Andersonville!!!!!!

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 04/21/11 - 06:14 pm
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History is history...

History is history...

walrus4ever
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walrus4ever 04/21/11 - 06:43 pm
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I got news for all who cry

I got news for all who cry about long dead victims of servitude: Your are already on the plantation of today and the flag of your future is red with gold stars. Your descendants are already in financial bondage to their Asian "massahs". Thats a fact . We are an impatient, materialistic people who sold our future for "always low prices" at any cost. Yours truly included.

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 04/21/11 - 07:05 pm
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Nice, on all the comment on

Nice, on all the comment on slavery and freedom and a piece of cloth, that KKK members and others got to together and hung that piece of cloth, as well as HUMAN BEINGS. (Does that help with understanding a small bit? Hitler also took a symbol, a swastika, that was harmless and made it into something hideous. Get the idea, ask a Jewish person how they feel about a swastika, even though for thousands of years swastikas were apart of decorative culture.) I digress a bit, but my point is, if this whole thing is about culture and history, why use a flag that was not a part of the Nation of the Confederacy? Is it that they don't know their history? Can someone explain why, the battle flag is used to represent the Confederacy, instead of the actual flag of the Confederacy, with the circle of stars and red and white bars, maybe one the alternative ones, which are actually associated with the government of the Confederacy?

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LauraE 04/21/11 - 07:13 pm
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For all those who say slavery

For all those who say slavery wasn't the cause of the civil war, and you say that it about pulling out of the Federal Union. You are half correct. But why did the south want to pull out of the union? Over the issue of SLAVERY. The north had already outlawed slavery and they wanted the south to do the same thing.
I mentioned this before, but you all need to read a book called "Mind of the South" by WJ Cash. It will straighten you out on the parts you missed.

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KSL 04/21/11 - 07:42 pm
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I had rather see the British

I had rather see the British flag flying than the Mexican flag, where it has been allowed to fly in California above the US flag.

Also, which Confederate National flag would be flown, the first one, or the second one, or the third one?

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