Page to take interim role at N. Augusta 1st Baptist

AP/ file
Friday, April 1, 2011 10:53 AM
Last updated Friday, June 24, 2011 9:43 PM
  • Follow Latest News

 This Sunday, Baptist pastor Frank Page returns to Augusta for an interim post at First Baptist Church of North Augusta.

Page, the president and chief executive officer of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee, steps into the role of interim pastor. Former senior pastor Rev. Gary Redding retired Thursday after 40 years in ministry. He served First Baptist for 22 years.

Page previously pastored Warren Baptist Church in Augusta before accepting a call to Taylors First Baptist Church in Taylors, S.C. In 2009, he was tapped as vice president of evangelization for the North American Mission Board in Alpharetta, Ga.

Page is also author of several books, including Trouble with the Tulip, The Incredible Shrinking Church, The Nehemiah Factor, and Jonah in the New American Commentary Series.

Page begins his service with two church services at 8:30 and 11 a.m. Sunday. Learn more at fbcna.org.

 

Comments (50) Add comment
ADVISORY: Users are solely responsible for opinions they post here and for following agreed-upon rules of civility. Posts and comments do not reflect the views of this site. Posts and comments are automatically checked for inappropriate language, but readers might find some comments offensive or inaccurate. If you believe a comment violates our rules, click the "Flag as offensive" link below the comment.
Labatt
0
Points
Labatt 04/01/11 - 11:10 am
0
0
This is news why?

This is news why?

DawgnSC69
271
Points
DawgnSC69 04/01/11 - 11:28 am
0
0
Labatt - If you're a

Labatt - If you're a christian it's GREAT news. I guess some people just have to post something even if there's nothing worthy to say.
Welcome back to the area and welcome to FBCNA Dr. Page. We look forward to meeting you.

Batman
18
Points
Batman 04/01/11 - 01:39 pm
0
0
Colossians 3:12 (NIV) -

Colossians 3:12 (NIV) - Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Dr. Page and his beautiful wife practice these words daily. We are blessed beyond measure to have him connected to our community.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 01:47 pm
0
0
FBCNA is paying him $1,000 a

FBCNA is paying him $1,000 a Sunday to preach two sermons. He will have no administrative or pastoral responsibilities. That's $52,000 a year for two sermons a Sunday if the church doesn't call a pastor within the next twelve months. That will be a nice supplement to his huge salary as the president and chief executive officer of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committe.

Good work if you can get it!

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 01:47 pm
0
0
Labatt, why? Because there

Labatt, why? Because there are individuals who worship God and are interested in things related to Christ. Believers do read other things beside their Bible.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 01:51 pm
0
0
Pastor Dan White.....sound to

Pastor Dan White.....sound to me you may be a little jealous? Hate to say but it's not becoming. What difference does it make what the church pays him and where does it say that he will retain his position as president and chief executive officer of the SBC? Most men of God go where God calls them. Don't you think in fairness you need to post what the retiring pastor was receiving so we can compare.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 01:59 pm
0
0
As an interim pastor, the

As an interim pastor, the interim pastor still performs the normal duties of a regularly called pastor. He will still prepare and deliver weekly sermons, still perform funerals and marriages, visits the sick, councils and guide, and most importantly, leads other's to Christ.

When a pastor retires, especially after serving a church for an extended period of time, the congregation grieves and it may take some time for them to feel close enough to Pastor Page, but this does not mean he sits around and does nothing except deliver a couple sermons on Sunday.

Be alert, evil is crouching at the door.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 02:31 pm
0
0
In Christ Love - my source,

In Christ Love - my source, an "inactive" deacon (a deacon serves three years and rotates off to the inactive list) and member of the church, told me that Dr. Page will have NO adminstrative or pastoral duties such as visiting the sick to perform and that the $1000 a week is for two sermons only. He thought the amount was excessive and was a little upset about it. But, obviously the church can afford it and has no problem with it. Evidently though, some aren't happy about it thinking it a little much for two sermons per week.

No, not jealous here. Happily semi-retired writing, tutoring students about 4-6 hours a week, and serving my small congregation in Appling. However, I do think that $1000 a week is a little excessive for two sermons a week. Why couldn't one of the staff members who are already being paid by the church fill in? There are also retired SBC pastors in the area who could serve as interim and do pastoral work for them for a lot less. Dr. Page brings great prestige to the church - and there is nothing wrong with that, I suppose, if that is what the church leaders want.

FBCNA was running about 1700 in attendance 25 years ago and I understand that they are way down to 700-900 today even with their mega million sanctuary building they built several years ago. Maybe Dr. Page and the esteem he has in the area can help them get back to the glory days and set the ground work for a new pastor.

In the meantime, True North Church, whose pastor was on the staff at FBCNA and left that church to establish True North, is running about 1700 in three Sunday services at NA High School. They have bought high visibiliby property off I-20 at Martintown Rd. and will build soon. I understand many left FBCNA for True North. True North was not a planned spin off of FBCNA. It just happened.

So maybe, Dr. Page can help FCBNA - I certainly hope so. And both True North and FBCNA prosper.

scoopdedoop64
2366
Points
scoopdedoop64 04/01/11 - 02:10 pm
0
0
Very well said, ICL I am not

Very well said, ICL I am not jealous of him making whatever they choose to pay him. That is between him and the church. I am sure he will do a good job for them. He really has a pastor's heart and will help during this time in the church's life. Now that said, if he wants to share a little of his blessing with some of us poor pastors I wouldn't turn it away. LOL

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 02:25 pm
0
0
Pastor Dan, I'm well aware of

Pastor Dan, I'm well aware of the working rotation of active/inactive deacon but in my church they serve two years/off one year rotations. Maybe this is different in larger churches. You asked why couldn't one of the already paid staff members fill in? Good question. My question is, it not up to the churc to vote who will fill in until a full time minister is called. Is FBNA being forced by the SB Association to hire Pastor Page? .

What troubles me is that an inactive deacon would be discussing the salary of his interm pastor with a non-member and that a non-member of this church would be discussing (in a negative manner I might add) the business of this church on a public forum. Do we as Christian have enough negative gossip spreading about to deal with that we do not need one of our own providing fuel for the fire.

What business is it for the public to know what Pastor Page is getting paid and what his duties are. This is between the church, the Southern Baptist Association and Pastor Page.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 02:41 pm
0
0
I think that the public has

I think that the public has every right to know what a pastor makes just as the public has a right to know the salaries of school teachers and other public servants which information is readily available.

Once the Chronicle posted this story online, it becomes an open forum for comment.

What I posted is not gossip. It is information and information is always power. I think that the public has a right to know. Budgets in churches are printed and distributed for all to know. Nothing is hidden as it should be.

For example, FBC Augusta and Trinity-on-the-Hill UMC readily published the cost of their new addition and their remodeling costs respectively to the public.

What I fear is ministries who try to hide their receipts and expenditures from public view like some - especially some tele-evangleists do. When Billy Graham held a crusade in a city, he always followed the event with a certified accounting in the local paper of what was taken in and what was spent for the event. I remember going to one event and he said that none of the offerings was going to his ministry. And any amount that exceeded the expenses of the local crusade would go to ministries which then was published in the paper after he left town.

In my opinion, that is the way to do ministry - be open and honest about the money. Anything less is to invite skepticism and cynicism from the non-church going public.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 02:44 pm
0
0
It's wonderful to hear that

It's wonderful to hear that God is still using men to establish new churches and spread his gospel as Paul did in biblical times. Even at 700-900 at FBCNA, that's still a fairly large congregation and my prayer is also that Dr. Page can reach souls for Christ while he waits on God to send the man he has choosen for this congregation.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 02:53 pm
0
0
Pastor Dan, I will agree that

Pastor Dan, I will agree that a church needs to be open about their ministry money but in my opinion the salaries of the staff are between the church members and the individaul. The way you posted the comment was not for information but came across as being negative and jealous. Just because you feel $1000 a week is too much, evidently the church is able and willing to pay Dr. Page this salary for his service to God. Maybe they feel he's worth $1000 a week.

Let the church be open and honest and publish their own financial report instead of an individual making a negative comment to bring the church into question. I do believe that a minister is a bit different than a government public servant such as a teacher, sheriff, commissioner, etc. By your standing, all Christians who serve in the church, secretary, musicians, janitor, etc. should have their salaries posted in the paper. It should be no one's business except for the members of the church who vote on such at their business meetings.

emergencyfan
0
Points
emergencyfan 04/01/11 - 03:03 pm
0
0
I can't help but think that

I can't help but think that $52,000 a year would feed and clothe a lot of less fortunate people. But hey, if it's more important to pay some guy to talk, no skin off my nose.

And yes, why not post their salaries? Since the church is tax-exempt (which means my taxes are higher because they're not paying any) some accountability would be nice. Federal and State employee salaries are a matter of public record.

So, I'll go on to tell you a little tale I know. A member of a church sold his house for WAY above market value to his church who promptly gave it to their minister to live in. This raised everyone's property tax in the neighborhood dramatically, but of course, there was no property tax on minister's house because it was owned by the church. Meanwhile, the minister has two shiny cars, two jet skis, a speedboat (among other things) all parked on his nice green lawn and driveway.

Yeah. Religion is mighty profitable business.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 03:10 pm
0
0
"Federal and State employee

"Federal and State employee salaries are a matter of public record" A minister is not a federal or state employee. As for your tale, it's a good story. Our pastor, pays his own mortgage, property and school tax, and his own income tax......just so you don't think all churches are run like the one in your tale.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 03:11 pm
0
0
LOL ICL - the church does

LOL ICL - the church does publish their own financial report. Dr. Page's interim compensation was voted on by the congregation. Every body knows it. Saying that the interim will be paid $1000 a week is not a negative comment from me. You interpreted it as negative and accused me of being jealous. I say more power to the church and to Dr. Page for that kind of generous compensation. However, I do feel it is a little excessive.

But, I'll say this too. So many pastors struggle with inadequate compensation from tight-fisted finance committees that it is nice to see a church be generous with God's tithes and offerings for a man of God.

And I also add - a starting school teacher's salary is about $34-38K for a tough job over a 190 day contract. In light of that fact, the $52,000 a year for Dr. Page (if he stays for 12 months) for two sermons a week seems a bit excessive. Wouldn't you agree?

As far as rotation of deacons, every Baptist church is independent and can set the rotation as the congregation chooses. FBCNA is on a three year rotation. But if a Baptist church wants it to be a two, three, or four, year rotation or even a permanent non-rotating office, they can do it. The local Baptist church does not take orders from a denominational office. I suppose that the local Baptist church is the most democratic insititution in America if not the world where the congregation rules.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 03:14 pm
0
0
ICL - correct - state and

ICL - correct - state and federal employees salaries are a matter of public record by law. Churches do not have to publish compensation for their staff members or pastors, but I think it is ethically right to publish them. Most of them do publish their staff's compensation either for each individually or collectively in a line item in their budgets.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 03:36 pm
0
0
Pastor Dan, if you can go

Pastor Dan, if you can go back and read your 1:47pm comment and say that it was not meant in a negative way, you are fooling yourself and everyone on here. Nice way to back pedal though.

$52,000 a year for that size church, with his degree and credientials, does not seem overly excessive. If you worked two jobs would you expect a decrease in pay for the second job just because you work a first job? You say he won't have any other responsiblities except to preach Sunday morning but I find it hard to believe that if there was a death of a church member and he was asked to perform the funeral that he would not fill that obligation as the leader of that church. If a member became sick and was hospitalized and a family member requested the pastor to visit, that he would not oblige. As a man of God, there are duties you fullfil, even when you're not paid to....that is being Christ-like.

LOL, I'll agree, Baptist churches do not take orders from a denominational office but they do have guidelines to follow within the association which are biblically based guidelines.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 03:41 pm
0
0
Exactly Pastor Dan...."Most

Exactly Pastor Dan...."Most of them do publish their staff's compensation either for each individually or collectively in a line item in their budgets."

The collective word here is "in their", the church, not on a public forum. If we were talking about monies for certain ministries (Annie Armstrong, Lottie Moon, local ministries) then I would agree... publish this all you like but when it comes to a staffer's salary, I do believe that should remain in the Church between church members, staff, or the denominational association.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 03:42 pm
0
0
ICL - I still don't see how

ICL - I still don't see how you get a negative comment. "Good work if you can get it!" I don't think that's negative because who wouldn't work for $1000 a week speaking two times on Sunday? More power to anyone who can command that kind of fee for speaking two times in one day. That's not negative. It is congratulatory. I admire anyone who can command that kind of money. I think Bill Clinton makes about $35,000 or more to speak one time as do many of those on the speaking circuit. It's good work if you can get it! I'm glad for those who can make that kind of money. I'm not a share the wealth kind of person. I believe in American capitalism.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 03:43 pm
0
0
It is no more public business

It is no more public business to know the salary of Pastor X, than it is for public business to know the salary of the manager of the BP Station. The Pastor pays the same taxes as you and I, He just has a higher calling for his job.

scoopdedoop64
2366
Points
scoopdedoop64 04/01/11 - 03:44 pm
0
0
Hey guys, its up to you, but

Hey guys, its up to you, but your discussion here maybe better somewhere else because a non-Christian looking at this will just think its all about the money. Most of us pastors never make the kind of salaries to live high on the hog. I have a very modest life and the church does the best they can to take care of my needs but I was told early on if I wanted to get rich I had better pick another profession. I think we are to trust God to meet our needs and remember that we lay up for ourselves treasures in heaven that are far more valuable. There are some wonderful people at North Augusta First Baptist church and Dr. Paige is a good man. Beyond that what else matters.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 03:46 pm
0
0
ICL - Baptist Churches don't

ICL - Baptist Churches don't have to follow the association's guidelines either. They can choose not to even contribute to the association. However, if they want to be considered a co-operating member and accepted into the association and convention, yes, there are doctrinal guidelines they must adhere to and give to the association's and convention's programs and missions. But at the same time, they are free not to associate with the convention or the association if they choose. They are truly a free democratic body.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 03:48 pm
0
0
ICL - once you print a budget

ICL - once you print a budget and hand it to the members, it is public. I have never been in a church where there was restrictions on who could have access to or read the church budget. It is open for all to see as it should be. but, I suppose there are those who do meet behind closed doors in churches and keep the money business secret. I just don't know of any.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 03:54 pm
0
0
You posted "That will be a

You posted "That will be a nice supplement to his huge salary as the president and chief executive officer of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committe." along with voicing your opinion that $1000 a week for only two sermons is excessive.

Nope can't see where I would get that your comment was on the negative side.

emergencyfan
0
Points
emergencyfan 04/01/11 - 03:58 pm
0
0
Um... I never said a minister

Um... I never said a minister was a state or federal employee.

Too bad the churches don't police themselves, bad apples seem to abound.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 03:58 pm
0
0
scoopdedoop64 - your post is

scoopdedoop64 - your post is well taken and excellent. However, how many people have I heard and you have heard who says, "All the church wants is money." Our discussion in here is not going to change that opinion. Granted, it might affirm that opinion, but it's not going to change it. And you something, I think those who say the church is all about money have a valid point.

Giving should be about worship -giving to the Lord in acknowledgement that all good gifts come from Him. However, there are churches that raise money to meet a budget. If that is emphasized to the neglect that giving is worship, real worship, then something very important is lost and thus people criticize - even those in the church sometimes - and say "All the church wants is money."

Indeed, Dr. Page is a good man. Well-qualified with heart of Christ, and a great leader in the SBC. And yes, FBCNA is filled with good, committed Christians. I wish them well and pray for their success.

The fact that the church is going to pay him $1000 a week is no secret. It was voted in by the congregation in an open meeting. So, I am not posting any secrets in here or anything that is not common knowledge. I have not "leaked" anything.

Pastor Dan White
1
Points
Pastor Dan White 04/01/11 - 05:02 pm
0
0
ICL - that is a NICE

ICL - that is a NICE supplement - nothing negative there. Just fact! It's no different than a teacher getting a coaching supplement. Who would be against that? But, I don't know of any coaches making a $1000 a week in supplement, and they put in far more time than two sermons a week.

And, he is making a huge salary as President of the SBC Executive Committee. That's fact too. Nothing negative there either.

And, he deserves it. Long hours, hard work, and lots of people skills needed for that job. Not many people are qualified to do a job like he has.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 04:04 pm
0
0
I don't know of any either

I don't know of any either Pastor Dan. Posting someone's personal information on a public forum is totally different that reading a business meeting document. I agree that finances relating to the operation of the church should be open to the public. I guess we differ on how we view the pastor and other staffer's salaries.

Scoop, I do believe Pastor Dan's original comment made this article about money. I agree, what matters is that this man of God will shepard this church and whatever he is paid, his blessing from God will be so much richer.

InChristLove
22473
Points
InChristLove 04/01/11 - 04:19 pm
0
0
Pastor Dan, why bring his

Pastor Dan, why bring his salary into it at all? Why comment on his huge salary with the SBE Executive Committee? Why comment that this weekly amount is 'just for two sermons"? No, there's nothing wrong with it but you comment made it appear that there is.

If you think he's deserves it, then did you tell your friend (the inactive deacon) that you thought Pastor Page deserved it and that your view of it differed from his? If you are happy for Pastor Page, why not write congratulations and God Bless? No where in this article was his salary mention until you posted it. If it's not an issue, why mention it?

If you can honestly say your comment wasn't meant negatively, then I apologize, but I don't believe it was as innocent as you now are trying to make it appear. I wish Pastor Page all the best in his new position. May God bless him and this church.

Back to Top

Search Augusta jobs