Vehicle hits runner, putting her in ICU

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 12:06 AM
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AIKEN -- The South Carolina Highway Patrol is working to reconstruct a Monday morning accident that left a jogger in the intensive care unit of Medical College of Georgia Hospital.

Paige Johnson, 39, was running in the eastbound lane of Herndon Dairy Road at 6:30 a.m. when she was hit by a vehicle driven by Michael Shumate, the patrol reported.

Johnson's running mate, Vickie Harby, 39, also of Aiken, was grazed by the vehicle.

No charges have been filed, according to the patrol.

Harby was wearing reflective tape on her clothes but Johnson wasn't, police said.

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JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/31/10 - 12:03 pm
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Bicycles and automobiles

Bicycles and automobiles don't go well together. Those sidewalks and bike trails are built for a reason. You are taking your life into your own hands if you decide you want to cycle down the middle of Walton Way, Deans Bridge, Furys Ferry, or Washington roads. By the way I've seen people doing just that on all of the above roads. It's not safe and when there is a sidewalk right next to you that you could easily be on....still enjoying your run or your biking trip....and not have to worry about whether you'll make it home or not it makes you look kind of like a reckless moron, IMO.

Don't get me wrong I feel for the woman and her friends and family but things like this could be easily prevented if people used the right trails and sidewalks and not to mention the right reflective/protective gear.

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billoftt 08/31/10 - 12:11 pm
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Could somebody please correct

Could somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but are there not any laws regarding not allowing bicycles on sidewalks?

I remember when I was 14 or so, a cop actually told me that it was against the law to ride my bicycle on the sidewalk and to be on there road. Now, this was in a different state and it was a small town of roughly 1100 people and the speed limits were 25 or less in most of the town.

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markremy 08/31/10 - 12:17 pm
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@JusticeForEva: I assume

@JusticeForEva: I assume you're posing these questions to me? If so, and you're asking me why sidewalks and "special" trails exist... well, gee. I dunno. I suppose the flip side of that question is: Why on earth would you assume that cyclists and runners -- who also, btw, "pay taxes" to maintain the roads -- should be restricted to a handful of random, disparate trails or paths. Assuming that there's a trail or path near the athlete's home, even within driving distance.

I guess I never thought that sidewalks existed to serve runners and cyclists. (In fact, where I'm from, as in many places, biking on sidewalks is illegal.) Even for runners, sidewalks are often less safe than running on or near the shoulder of the road -- they can be uneven, cracked, and full of slower pedestrian traffic (i.e. walkers, skateboarders, baby strollers, etc.). On top of which, concrete sidewalks are harder than asphalt surfaces, and thus harder on joints. Finally, most of the roads that I myself use don't even have sidewalks.

Believe it or not, most runners aren't morons. And even those who ARE, possess an instinct for self-preservation. If we run on the road instead of a sidewalk, it's because we've made a calculation and we've determined that it's safer to run in the road. For whatever reasons. Other runners understand this intuitively. Non-runners probably won't, and I can't say I blame them for that.

Forgive my exasperated tone, but so much of this "debate" just seems needless and contrived. And counterproductive. Cyclists, runners, and motorists can -- and do! -- peacefully co-exist on the roads. There's room for all of us, folks. Accidents happen, yes. That's life. But the venom that some folks invariably spew, when these accidents do happen, is just not healthy.

For the record, I'm a marathoner who runs 30+ miles a week, year round, sometimes much more, and a former long-distance road cyclist. (Also for the record: In 25+ years of biking and running on open roads, I've been involved in exactly one accident with a car. It was the driver's fault, a hit and run.)

I'm also a motorist who sometimes encounters cyclists and runners on the roads. So I have perspective from both sides of this issue.

Do you?

RAWR
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RAWR 08/31/10 - 12:24 pm
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Reading all of these comments

Reading all of these comments I am reassured that the CSRA is filled with idiots. Just because a car is more powerful and deadly does not give you the right to takeover the roadways. If it is legal for people to run or cycle in the roads then you have no right to say they shouldn't. Especially if you base what you say on your personal beliefs. You idiots need to pay more attention so things like this doesn't happen. It may be a hassle to slow down and go around these people but they are entitled to use the roadways just as much as you are. Because believe it or not they do pay taxes for the use of the roads.

As for the poster that mentions the minimum speed limit. Most of the majorly travelled roads around Augusta and Aiken besides the interstates do NOT have a posted minimum speed limit.

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/31/10 - 12:26 pm
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Why ride down the middle of

Why ride down the middle of the busiest roads in town to begin with? It's almost like some of you have deathwishes!

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/31/10 - 12:29 pm
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For the record I ride my bike

For the record I ride my bike around sometimes as well. I just use the back and less busy roads. It seems pretty stupid for me to want to go ride down the middle of Deans Bridge on something I can maybe go 30 mph on while everyone else around me is going 45 + and weighs tons more than I do.....

RAWR
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RAWR 08/31/10 - 12:29 pm
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People that have Justice's

People that have Justice's thought process needs to have their license revoked. You present more of a danger to the roads than runners and cyclists do.

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Double Trouble 08/31/10 - 12:43 pm
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OMallen, you are forgetting

OMallen, you are forgetting something..... IF I was using my cellphone, that is just as legal as riding the bike down the middle of the road is.... Just sayin...
I fully understand that bikes have a right to be in the road and many are courteous while riding. However, I live on Hwy 150 in Appling which is a fairly busy highway at certain times of the day. There are always big logging trucks running up and down it. Where are the bicyclists? Right in the middle of the road. Just a little common sense should tell any cyclist that going up against a logging truck is like carrying a knife to a gun fight.

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/31/10 - 12:46 pm
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Thank you Double Trouble!

Thank you Double Trouble! That was the point I've been trying to make!

RAWR
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RAWR 08/31/10 - 12:53 pm
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Do you get out of the road

Do you get out of the road when these log truckers are behind you? Their truck could destroy your vehicle and you as well. I don't see why you tried to compare it to a gun fight ...

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whyme 08/31/10 - 01:06 pm
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I agree with the fact that

I agree with the fact that everyone should be able to share the road, be mindful of each other, get off the phone and pay attention,etc.

I couldn't help but notice, however, that on several occasions over the past few days I have seen pedestrians and runners wearing dark clothing in the dark, attempting to cross the street (pedestrians) and jogging almost in the street rather than the curb (runners). Maybe this is not new but it definitely caught my eye. Some of these were women by themselves, and while you surely have the right to run/walk whenever you like and with or without someone, don't set yourself up for danger!

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burninater 08/31/10 - 01:30 pm
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Justice, there is a good

Justice, there is a good reason you see cyclists in the road in Georgia and not on sidewalks: it is illegal to operate your bicycle on a sidewalk, unless it is a designated multi-use path.

"Section 40-6-144 of the Georgia Code requires that “No person shall drive any vehicle upon a sidewalk or sidewalk area except upon a permanent or duly authorized driveway”. The Georgia Code defines bicycles as vehicles; therefore this law applies not only to motor vehicles but to bicycles as well. Excluding multi-use paths, sidewalks are designed for pedestrian travel."

http://bicyclegeorgia.com/galaw.html

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markremy 08/31/10 - 02:00 pm
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I feel like I'm shouting into

I feel like I'm shouting into the wind at this point. But one final plea before I give up altogether: Could we at least agree to avoid the absurd/hyperbolic/inflammatory phrase "in the middle of the road" when we talk about cyclists and runners?

Every time I see comments on this topic, certain (angry) folks just fall over themselves to use this phrase. Runners and cyclists are always "in the middle of the road!" If we don't like it, we shouldn't be "in the middle of the road!" Stay out of "the middle of the road!!!" (Note extra exclamation, for added effect.)

What a canard. With a handful of rare exceptions, virtually no cyclist or runner is dumb enough to bike or run in the "middle of the road." And those who are that dumb wouldn't survive very long. It's called Darwinism. So, please, spare us the hyperbole. Give us a tiny bit of credit.

Again, reading some of these comments, you're amazed that there are any cyclists or runners left alive for you to complain about, what with all of us spending so much time "in the middle of the road!"

I said it once, and I'll say it again: Cyclists and runners, as a group, are not stupid. We do not have some sort of bizarre "deathwish." Many of us, believe it or not, have been biking and/or running for many years, without a problem.

You know why?

***Because we don't linger in the middle of the road.***

Strange, but true!

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/31/10 - 01:59 pm
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I have to deal with

I have to deal with inconsiderate elitist cyclist jerks who think the road should revolve around them atleast every other day during my commute to and from work. These idiots use the road when there is a bike path 20 feet from the road! They run stop signs, pass the line of cars at the stop lights, turn left in front of you, and just generally congest traffic. Most of these "cyclists" are out of shape and make no effort to keep up to speed or stay to the right. They are the single most frustrating part of my commute. They should stay to the routes with bike lanes and stay on the bike paths. They should obey the same traffic laws as the motorists and the police should issue tickets when when they see a violation

JusticeForEva
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JusticeForEva 08/31/10 - 02:13 pm
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I would like to make one

I would like to make one thing clear- I try everyday to be as considerate to bicyclists as possible, but well over half do not follow the rules of the road in any way whatsoever. They ignore traffic signals, intersection rules and etiquette, weave through cars if there is traffic, and worst of all- create massive traffic backups by taking up the entire travel lane and coasting along at a minimal speed. I am all for sharing the road and for people who choose to bike- but when I see bikers clip PEDESTRIANS and dart in front of moving traffic almost causing accidents or actually causing them... Bike lanes only do so much- we need to better define the social contract of bikers and motorists and make sure that all sides play fairly.

Rawrr and Mark are the epitome of a pretentious cyclists. Expecting all motorists to slow way down in order to accommodate their 10-15 mph speed when the motoring mph is 30-40. And now you don't want us to honk in case you're swerving into traffic (CAR TRAFFIC!) Get a clue man. I enjoy riding my bike, but I don't expect cars, trucks, buses, and motorcycles to bend over backwards because I'm cruising through on my bicycle.

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Georgiais1 08/31/10 - 02:35 pm
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Justice 4 Markremy 1

Justice 4 Markremy 1

markremy
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markremy 08/31/10 - 02:38 pm
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I'm not a cyclist. And I

I'm not a cyclist. And I don't expect "all motorists" to "slow way down."

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GetOverIt 08/31/10 - 02:45 pm
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Herndon Dairy Road is pretty

Herndon Dairy Road is pretty far out in the country in Aiken to have sidewalks. Runners and bicyclists have taken over that area (Herndon Dairy Road/Silver Bluff Road/Storm Branch Road/Green Pond Road). It is dangerous out there. Storm Branch Road has hills and curves and cars fly down that road. I'm amazed this is the first accident that has happened out that way.

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burninater 08/31/10 - 03:12 pm
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Justice, the selectivity of

Justice, the selectivity of your tolerance is remarkable. Let's rewrite the last paragraph of your 2:13 post to put this into a context you have been passionate about on these forums:

"Bob and Biff are the epitome of pretentious homosexuals. Expecting all people to change the definition of marriage in order to accommodate their same-sex relationship when the definition of marriage is a man and a woman. And now you don't want us to speak out when you're swerving into society (STRAIGHT SOCIETY!) Get a clue man. I enjoy my gay friends, but I don't expect straight society to bend over backwards because I'm cruising through with my gay friends."

If you think this is a completely inapt analogy, consider the following:
1) cyclists have a legal right to be on the road = homosexuals have a legal right to share the benefits of marriage;
2) cyclists share the costs of road construction through taxes paid = homosexuals are as vested in the well-being of society as anyone else;
3) bike paths do not convey all the same benefits of road networks (namely, they generally don't get you from point A to point B) = domestic partnerships do not convey the same benefits of marriage;
4) cyclists behaving responsibly harm noone = homosexuals behaving responsibly harm noone;
5) unprovoked hostility against cyclists behaving responsibly is bigotry = unprovoked hostility against homosexuals behaving responsibly is bigotry;
6) cyclists by their very presence on the road endanger the well-being and smooth functioning of the roadway = homosexuals by their very presence in society endanger the well-being and smooth functioning of society.

I don't mean to sidetrack this thread in another direction altogether, I just want to open your eyes to the degree of hostility that's coming through your posts. Hopefully a parallel to another form of intolerance that you feel passionately about doesn't seem unreasonable.

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billoftt 08/31/10 - 03:13 pm
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Not too mention all roads

Not too mention all roads mentioned in your 2:45 are all victims of the "Dupont 500," making them EXTREMELY dangerous for cyclists and joggers. Especially Silverbluff and Green Pond. Storm Branch will take some of the Green Pond traffic off of Silverbluff, but Silverbluff is still one of the "Dupont 500" routes.

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markremy 08/31/10 - 03:14 pm
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I'm going for a run.

I'm going for a run.

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burninater 08/31/10 - 05:53 pm
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edit: this was a response to

edit: this was a response to bill, but it looks like his comment fell prey to offensensitivity (hats off to Berkeley Breathed for that word)
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rofl bill -- I can't say about cyclists, but those shorts are something else ...

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burninater 08/31/10 - 03:33 pm
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edit: This was a response to

edit: This was a response to Justice, but the comment vanished ...
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Sidewalks are installed for pedestrians. Period. Special trails are generally multi-use trails, and are not designed exclusively for cyclists. I cannot speak specifically to this ongoing phenomenon of a hoard of bikers and runners going down the middle of Furys Ferry day and night, as I have not witnessed it personally. However, other comments by multiple posters on these forums in the past have indicated that it is perfectly reasonable to take a single instance and apply it with a broad brush to an entire sector of people and behavior. They have assimilated you nicely, Justice.

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billoftt 08/31/10 - 03:34 pm
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What is up with those shorts?

What is up with those shorts? Can’t they wear something with fewer silhouettes of genitalia?
Also, thanks for being able to take a joke without taking it personal. You, sir, are a rarity of the World Wide Web.

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burninater 08/31/10 - 03:39 pm
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bill, I think the shorts are

bill, I think the shorts are designed so that doctors driving up behind a cyclist can make a prostate recommendation on the fly ...

billoftt
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billoftt 08/31/10 - 03:39 pm
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Also, if you want really

Also, if you want really extensive bicycle trails, may I suggest:
http://www.scgreatoutdoors.com/park-forkareatrailsystem.html

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markremy 08/31/10 - 04:14 pm
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@billoftt: Ha... I was

@billoftt: Ha... I was prepared to see you linking to something like this:

www.AnyEuropeanCity.org

billoftt
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billoftt 08/31/10 - 04:26 pm
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Could you post a link that

Could you post a link that works?

markremy
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markremy 08/31/10 - 04:45 pm
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The link was a joke.

The link was a joke.

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thisisridiculous 08/31/10 - 04:49 pm
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markremy - according to a

markremy - according to a post on wrdw's website, sc law is as follows...Here is a copy of the sc ped. law... SECTION 56‑5‑3160. Pedestrians on highways. (a) Where a sidewalk is provided and its use is practicable, it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway. (b) Where a sidewalk is not available any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk only on a shoulder as far as practicable from the edge of the roadway. (c) Where neither a sidewalk nor a shoulder is available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk as near as practicable to an outside edge of the roadway and, if on a two‑way roadway, shall walk only on the left side of the roadway. (d) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, any pedestrian upon a roadway shall yield the right‑of‑way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

Now, get your crap straight and get off the dern roads, cyclists and runners! When ya'll start paying road taxes like we have to when owning a vehicle then you can get your tails back out there.

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